A Single Picture That Could - Or Should? - Alter Iranian Foreign Policy

[AmirPatriot]

I've discussed with some Iranians about the merits of caring about what goes on in Palestine. I've always supported the Palestinian cause.

But with pictures like this, I'm starting to find it hard to care.

Why should we care when they do this?

Meeting the Zionists or the Americans is one thing. Meeting the terrorist, traitorous bitch that is Rajavi quite clearly shows their attitude.

Leave Palestine. They don't appear to want our help. Instead, increase support for Hezbollah. They are a good enough deterrence.

@raptor22 @scythian500 @SOHEIL @yavar @Arminkh I'd be interested in your views on this.

عباس بره گم شه. حماس بره گم شه. این لعنتیها فقط برای مشکل و تحریم ساختن. الانم که با این رجوی گٔه ملاقات کرد. بابا به ما چی‌ میرسه. همون حزب‌الله برایه اسرییلیها زیادم هست.

 

[hussain0216]

Whose Rajavi?

 

[ebrahym]

I've discussed with some Iranians about the merits of caring about what goes on in Palestine. I've always supported the Palestinian cause.

But with pictures like this, I'm starting to find it hard to care.

Why should we care when they do this?

Meeting the Zionists or the Americans is one thing. Meeting the terrorist, traitorous bitch that is Rajavi quite clearly shows their attitude.

Leave Palestine. They don't appear to want our help. Instead, increase support for Hezbollah. They are a good enough deterrence.

@raptor22 @scythian500 @SOHEIL @yavar @Arminkh I'd be interested in your views on this.

عباس بره گم شه. حماس بره گم شه. این لعنتیها فقط برای مشکل و تحریم ساختن. الانم که با این رجوی گٔه ملاقات کرد. بابا به ما چی‌ میرسه. همون حزب‌الله برایه اسرییلیها زیادم هست.

damn right Iran is their prime supporter and they are meeting with the one who wants to send Iran in chaos

 

[warfareknow]

I think, if I am allowed to speak freely, we shouldn't stick our nose in palestine. It brings us only bad reputition and the world thinks we are evil as shit, and yes I know this sound like I am the biggest **** on earth but you know what? : The palestinians don't like us and mostly do not want us. I know one Palestinian that lived for 2 years here in germany and he was actually nice and friendly he came with us to school but he always said he does not like Iranians putting their nose in his country and he does not like hezbollah etc etc etc. However he is one of the friendly ones, he was thinking that shias were some monsters at first but then we became friends and he learnt much but there are so many palestinians that are full with hatred.
So again, after seeing this picture, yes we should leave them alone, they should care about themselves, the only arab friends we have are Iraqis and the people of Syria (btw some are here also as refugees and they are really nice people, I am happy that i worked with them to help them for integration). Rest of them are hostile and wahabis (i know not all of them) but these hostile wahabi sandis are only interested in killing and goats.


Ps: I hope i dont upset anyone with my opinion

 

[AmirPatriot]

Whose Rajavi?

Rajavi is the leader of the NCRI, a group of terrorist groups (sorry, moderate opposition, as the cool kids like to say it), who, among other activities, fought alongside Saddam in the war. I swear, I hate this bitch more than any US president, or Israeli leader. She's right up there with Saddam and Hitler. All I think of when I look at her crooked face is traitor, traitor, traitor, traitor, along with pig, bitch, terrorist, traitor, inbred, rat, traitor, disgrace, and traitor.



So... yeah. That's... who she is.

I know one Palestinian

I don't think we should think of it like that... my family also know a very kind and good Palestinian family (or it might have been a couple, I can't remember). Not for two years, but they didn't seem hostile in any way, like you mentioned this individual towards Shia. Though I think, the general trend seems to be the way you described, unfortunately.

wahabi sandis are only insterested in killing and goats.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

traitor, traitor, traitor, traitor, along with pig, bitch, terrorist, traitor, inbred, rat, traitor, disgrace, and traitor.

We might not know who she is but by hell we know you hate her, big time

 

[warfareknow]

I don't think we should think of it like that... my family also know a very kind and good Palestinian family (or it might have been a couple, I can't remember). Not for two years, but they didn't seem hostile in any way, like you mentioned this individual towards Shia. Though I think, the general trend seems to be the way you described, unfortunately.

Bro I am young, this is my experience. And as I said, he thought it at first, he wanted me to become sunni however I am not that religious, but i refused and we had many free lessons at school were we talked and chilled together. So i had the chance to remove some bad pictures ^^

 

[AmirPatriot]

We might not know who she is but by hell we know you hate her, big time

Yeah... a lot.

But the bits about terrorism and treachery are not just me. These lowlifes actually conducted terrorist attacks on their own compatriots, and fought alongside Saddam's forces (who liked to gas Iranians). At least the Iraqi soldiers themselves were only following orders, fighting for their country, and deserve nothing less than their rights under the Geneva convention. If it were up to me, everyone of those NCRI traitors deserve summary execution (welp, there's the hate coming in again... sorry...).

Bro I am young

Most people, including yourself, cannot use that excuse when talking to me.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

there's the hate coming in again... sorry

No need to. I had few Iranian friends back in the 1980s so I know a thing or two about Iran. Traitors are always the lowest of human beings.

 

[war&peace]

Rajavi is the leader of the NCRI, a group of terrorist groups (sorry, moderate opposition, as the cool kids like to say it), who, among other activities, fought alongside Saddam in the war. I swear, I hate this bitch more than any US president, or Israeli leader. She's right up there with Saddam and Hitler. All I think of when I look at her crooked face is traitor, traitor, traitor, traitor, along with pig, bitch, terrorist, traitor, inbred, rat, traitor, disgrace, and traitor.



So... yeah. That's... who she is.



I don't think we should think of it like that... my family also know a very kind and good Palestinian family (or it might have been a couple, I can't remember). Not for two years, but they didn't seem hostile in any way, like you mentioned this individual towards Shia. Though I think, the general trend seems to be the way you described, unfortunately.

Your hate and disgust tells me, she must a good person

 

[Falcon29]

Not sure what you're trying to get to, Abbas and his gov't are known to be allied with Saudi-led Arab axis, and his regional agenda is in line with theirs. He never had any ties with Iranian gov't. Iran's role in Palestinian arena is not significant nor game changing. Only the United States is a game changer in the I/P conflict. Iran's ties with Palestinian parties are toned down lately, if it changes or not, the overall situation will remain as is.

We are not asking anybody to care or forcing anyone to play any role. On contrary, my personal belief is the people of the region need more help, in form of mental and psychological assistance, than we do.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Your hate and disgust tells me, she must a good person

I hate ISIS too, does that mean al-Baghdadi is a nice guy?

Not sure what you're trying to get to, Abbas and his gov't are known to be allied with Saudi-led Arab axis, and his regional agenda is in line with theirs. He never had any ties with Iranian gov't. Iran's role in Palestinian arena is not significant nor game changing. Only the United States is a game changer in the I/P conflict. Iran's ties with Palestinian parties are toned down lately, if it changes or not, the overall situation will remain as is.

We are not asking anybody to care or forcing anyone to play any role. On contrary, my personal belief is the people of the region need more help, in form of mental and psychological assistance, than we do.

What I'm trying to say is that it seems Iran's help is not wanted, from the "official" Abbas gov't all the way to Hamas which have been siding with Anti-Assad forces in Syria.

And if, as you say, Iran's role is not significant, I don't think Iran should waste resources and lives in Palestine.

Don't get me wrong. I absolutely support the right of Palestinians to fight their occupiers, with both peaceful and armed resistance. But I don't think Iran is suitably positioned to aid them in this cause.

Traitors are always the lowest of human beings.

 

[Falcon29]

What I'm trying to say is that it seems Iran's help is not wanted, from the "official" Abbas gov't all the way to Hamas which have been siding with Anti-Assad forces in Syria.

And if, as you say, Iran's role is not significant, I don't think we should waste resources and lives in Palestine.

Don't get me wrong. I absolutely support the right of Palestinians to fight their occupiers, with both peaceful and armed resistance. But I don't think Iran is suitably positioned to aid them in this cause.

Abbas is irrelevant and doesn't represent more than 10% of the Palestinian people, as you know, it's not possible to remove him, as long as Israeli forces and PA US funded 'security forces' protect him, and don't allow elections to remove him. Even standard parliamentary elections that occurred in past, the results were rejected by foreign powers and they simply didn't allow our elected representatives to govern. And now new elections are coming forward, and of course they're cracking down on pro-Hamas voters and institutions in West Bank. So even if Hamas wins, they still won't allow it to govern, hence Abbas is effectively a dictator with US and Israeli protection. Most Iranians and people in general, understand this, and won't come to conclusions based on what he embodies.

Hamas did initially take a side in Syria, which I believe they shouldn't have, I believe they should have remained neutral stance. The past is the past though, and I'm a person that can move on in life, and moral support didn't mean anything to me. Hamas remained as it is, a party dedicated to the Palestinian cause, and I've explained why I stand with them in the past, and why I will continue to do so .... Now they have more neutral positions all across the spectrum, which came as a result of experience, through the evolution of Arab Sring-Current Era, and I'm not going to hold anything against them for that, everybody went all in and sought to reap opportunity in early 2011.

I am not getting you wrong, you have a perfectly valid view, that doesn't bother me, as long as you don't get emotional expressing it, and come to conclusions and a whole people based of it ....

And to get into specific details a bit, it's very difficult to deliver resources to Palestinian territories nowadays, no one is playing a significant military role, besides the Palestinians themselves, and trading network in Egypt, and only Palestinians are paying with their lives in that regard.....

 

[AmirPatriot]

Abbas is irrelevant and doesn't represent more than 10% of the Palestinian people, as you know, it's not possible to remove him, as long as Israeli forces and PA US funded 'security forces' protect him, and don't allow elections to remove him. Even standard parliamentary elections that occurred in past, the results were rejected by foreign powers and they simply didn't allow our elected representatives to govern. And now new elections are coming forward, and of course they're cracking down on pro-Hamas voters and institutions in West Bank. So even if Hamas wins, they still won't allow it to govern, hence Abbas is effectively a dictator with US and Israeli protection. Most Iranians and people in general, understand this, and won't come to conclusions based on what he embodies.

Hamas did initially take a side in Syria, which I believe they shouldn't have, I believe they should have remained neutral stance. The past is the past though, and I'm a person that can move on in life, and moral support didn't mean anything to me. Hamas remained as it is, a party dedicated to the Palestinian cause, and I've explained why I stand with them in the past, and why I will continue to do so .... Now they have more neutral positions all across the spectrum, which came as a result of experience, through the evolution of Arab Sring-Current Era, and I'm not going to hold anything against them for that, everybody went all in and sought to reap opportunity in early 2011.

I am not getting you wrong, you have a perfectly valid view, that doesn't bother me, as long as you don't get emotional expressing it, and come to conclusions and a whole people based of it ....

And to get into specific details a bit, it's very difficult to deliver resources to Palestinian territories nowadays, no one is playing a significant military role, besides the Palestinians themselves, and trading network in Egypt, and only Palestinians are paying with their lives in that regard.....

Good post. Your post gave me a fair bit to think about.

I think what worries me about Hamas is that they have worked with the Saudis, and do so even now. On top of that, their methods seem questionable. Now, I don't particularly take to Zionist propaganda, so I'd rather ask yourself about subjects like the encouragement of the stabbings of civilians etc.

I think Hamas have shown that although theirs and Iran's interests align somewhat now, they are pliable. They could be turned against Iran. For me, its difficult to support a group whose intentions and methods seem so... volatile.

The whole point is that Palestine is becoming an ever more troublesome environment to work in. Iran has to think of its own interests as well. Aside from helping Palestine, countering Israel and the Arab states is among those interests. Unfortunately, it seems to me that trying to help Palestine is getting us nowhere, when resources could be spent on our economy, armed forces and even Hezbollah to better pursue other options.

 

[war&peace]

I hate ISIS too, does that mean al-Baghdadi is a nice guy?

No, ISIS is one of my most hated objects