Hello all,
I am new to this forum. I saw lots of threads comparing several jets that are option for PAF, F-16,J-10,JF-17,Typhoon...etc.
My sincere advise to our pak friends is that JF-17(thunder)
has has has has has to be the dominant jet of PAF.
I am not a fan of Chinese weapon tech. personally I do not rank JF-17 very high. In my opinion the rank should be the following if not considering cost:
F22 > Typhoon > Su30ki > F16C/D > J-10 > F16A/B > JF-17 > LAC
(I am not professional, anyway this rough idea will not be too far from the truth)
Of course in terms of cost efficiency a F16(30~40million) still need some disscussion when comparing to a thrunder (8million ? no one here mentioned the price I learned from Chinese website production cost is 8 million)
However, that is still not the major reason. The FIRST thing we need to consider when choosing a weapon is that: Who is the producer (with core technology) There are many benefits that when you choose a weapon that you can manufacture:
1. Budget -
profit goes to your own country, no need to explain more
2. R&D -
helps your own jet industry with new jet R&D. while producing, you are TRAINING your own Engineers, Specialists, and Craftsman. plus the successful story will highly encourage your research team/scientists. Also your related industry will also benefit
(eg. electronics)
3. weakness of the jet -
this point is always not been paid enough attention: while purchasing a weapon from other country, THEY KNOW THE WEAKNESS OF THE JET. they know the core tech and know how to shoot it down better than you do. Who can gurantee they will keep the secret from your enemy?
It can be worse if some secret bug are inserted on purpose. it is possible, see what microsoft did in china last year. fortunately our military computers are using our own softwares MADE IN CHINA. only general consumers use microsoft. can not imagine what will happen if our computer for nuke launch use microsoft.
4. Political risk -
maybe I need thousands of words to expain to a chinese but to Pak friends the XXXX bill of F-16 deal saves my time for this topic.
5. combat maintenence-
this is another topic usually not been paid enough attention to. in peaceful years, bought weapon will not reveal this problem plus in the past the old jets are usually not integrated with so many high tech electronic parts as it is today. However, today, if you dont have the maintenance (you need to have the tech of the jet) it will highly reduce the combat efficiency of the jet. In the past, after one mission the plane just need to land , refill gas and ammo, then next mission. nowadays, lots of parts need to be examed before the next fly. remember, in war time
, the weapon depreciation is XXX times than usual.
To conclude, JF-17 should be the main part of PAF untill pakistan can manufacture a better one.
I heard that China will sell some J-10B to Pakistan(need confirmation) but I suggest that Pakistan should not buy too many unless china transfer the tech.
I also heard that some F-16 from old contract will arrive. I hope there's no more deal unless US wants to tranfer tech to their so called "Pakistan Ally"
Dont worry when you heard that Turk gets F-16 production lisence. Dont worry when you heard India invest in 5th gen R&D with Russia.
They are not comparable to the China-Pakistan JF-17 project. I heard from our Engineer involved in the Jf-17 project that Both Chi and Pak scientists are allowed to access all datas of JF-17 tests and they dont deny the other side to enter their labs. Both China and Pakistan has the core tech of JF-17 (a lisence of production is not comparable)
while India is still complaining they cannot touch the core tech or access russian lab for the project. why shouldn't we cheer for the JF-17 project
. A weapon you can produce is the weapon fit you.
Support our own Jet !
I am new to this forum. I saw lots of threads comparing several jets that are option for PAF, F-16,J-10,JF-17,Typhoon...etc.
My sincere advise to our pak friends is that JF-17(thunder)
has has has has has to be the dominant jet of PAF.
I am not a fan of Chinese weapon tech. personally I do not rank JF-17 very high. In my opinion the rank should be the following if not considering cost:
F22 > Typhoon > Su30ki > F16C/D > J-10 > F16A/B > JF-17 > LAC
(I am not professional, anyway this rough idea will not be too far from the truth)
Of course in terms of cost efficiency a F16(30~40million) still need some disscussion when comparing to a thrunder (8million ? no one here mentioned the price I learned from Chinese website production cost is 8 million)
However, that is still not the major reason. The FIRST thing we need to consider when choosing a weapon is that: Who is the producer (with core technology) There are many benefits that when you choose a weapon that you can manufacture:
1. Budget -
profit goes to your own country, no need to explain more
2. R&D -
helps your own jet industry with new jet R&D. while producing, you are TRAINING your own Engineers, Specialists, and Craftsman. plus the successful story will highly encourage your research team/scientists. Also your related industry will also benefit
(eg. electronics)
3. weakness of the jet -
this point is always not been paid enough attention: while purchasing a weapon from other country, THEY KNOW THE WEAKNESS OF THE JET. they know the core tech and know how to shoot it down better than you do. Who can gurantee they will keep the secret from your enemy?
It can be worse if some secret bug are inserted on purpose. it is possible, see what microsoft did in china last year. fortunately our military computers are using our own softwares MADE IN CHINA. only general consumers use microsoft. can not imagine what will happen if our computer for nuke launch use microsoft.
4. Political risk -
maybe I need thousands of words to expain to a chinese but to Pak friends the XXXX bill of F-16 deal saves my time for this topic.
5. combat maintenence-
this is another topic usually not been paid enough attention to. in peaceful years, bought weapon will not reveal this problem plus in the past the old jets are usually not integrated with so many high tech electronic parts as it is today. However, today, if you dont have the maintenance (you need to have the tech of the jet) it will highly reduce the combat efficiency of the jet. In the past, after one mission the plane just need to land , refill gas and ammo, then next mission. nowadays, lots of parts need to be examed before the next fly. remember, in war time
, the weapon depreciation is XXX times than usual. To conclude, JF-17 should be the main part of PAF untill pakistan can manufacture a better one.
I heard that China will sell some J-10B to Pakistan(need confirmation) but I suggest that Pakistan should not buy too many unless china transfer the tech.
I also heard that some F-16 from old contract will arrive. I hope there's no more deal unless US wants to tranfer tech to their so called "Pakistan Ally"
Dont worry when you heard that Turk gets F-16 production lisence. Dont worry when you heard India invest in 5th gen R&D with Russia.
They are not comparable to the China-Pakistan JF-17 project. I heard from our Engineer involved in the Jf-17 project that Both Chi and Pak scientists are allowed to access all datas of JF-17 tests and they dont deny the other side to enter their labs. Both China and Pakistan has the core tech of JF-17 (a lisence of production is not comparable)
while India is still complaining they cannot touch the core tech or access russian lab for the project. why shouldn't we cheer for the JF-17 project
. A weapon you can produce is the weapon fit you.Support our own Jet !
