A right-wing Indian’s solution to Kashmir problem

[Soumitra]

A right-wing Indian’s solution to Kashmir problem

A lot of column inches have been written by people from all sides regarding the “solution” to Kashmir. I would also like to put my thoughts on the same. I am an unabashed Right Wing Indian Hindu Nationalist. I will give my solution from a right-wing perspective.

These days it is fashionable for the left liberals to say that Modi govt is making Kashmir situation worse and they should go for “talks” with all stakeholders. My simple counter question is that Modi came to power in 2014 before that for 10 long years it was so called “secular” govt in India. What was the benefit form all the “talks” they did with Hurriyat, Pakistan and the Separatists? If “talks” could lead to a solution then it would have happened. As Albert Einstien said “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” Talks have failed for 25 years (1989-2014) There is no point in continuing for 25 more years

It is now time to change the dynamics of the game. We should shift the gears. To give a cricketing analogy it is time to get out of languid test mode and into the slam bang T-20 mode.

We need to do the following things to have a meaningful outcome based strategy

1. Define the red lines– India has some red lines. The structure of these are broadly known. Now it is time to put them on the table in a crystal clear manner. The biggest redline of India is that Independence for Kashmir is unequivocally ruled out. The second red line is no referendum in Kashmir. Short of these two things India is willing to discuss any other issue
2. Define the Stakeholders– The next obvious thing is to define who exactly are the stakeholders for the talks and solution. Who is a stakeholder flows from India’s redlines. Since referendum and independence is out of question that automatically rules out Pakistan as a stakeholder as far as India’s internal matter of Kashmir is concerned. Any talks with Pakistan should be related to cross border terrorism and the return of Azad Kashmir. Similarly, if the separatists are not able to accept India’s redlines then there is no benefit of talking to them. We should talk to only those who are willing to discuss within the red lines.

A stakeholder should also be a representative of the people. Just by saying that you are a “leader” does not prove anything. The true leadership is proven by the EVM. If you are truly the representative of the people then you should fight and win elections. If the people follow you then they will vote for you. So, the true stakeholder for any talks will only be an elected representative of the people

1. Peaceful Atmosphere– We should call out the bluff of the so-called stakeholders. Are they actually interested in the peaceful solution or not? To do that they should demonstrate their commitment to peace. Any talks will take place if and only if there is complete peace for a minimum period of 6 month. There should be no violence, no stone pelting, no militant attacks for 6 months and then we will come to the negotiation table. If any violence takes place then the talks are off the table.

Any solution to the problem obviously must include some concession from our side. So, India should propose the following:

1. Elections to choose the representatives – India has said that the talks will be held only with the actual representatives of the people. To facilitate this, India should say that if there is no violence for a period of 6 months then the govt will step down and fresh elections will be held under international supervision. The separatist leaders will be given full freedom to contest these elections. If and when they win they can take part in talks
2. Withdrawal of Army – A big CBM will be the proposal to withdraw the army from the urban areas. Army will stay in their barracks outside the cities. They will be called into action if and only if there is any violent incident. The law and order situation will be handled by J&K police and CRPF. The corollary is that if there is violence and stone pelting then the Army will be given full freedom to do whatever it takes to stop the violence. And as already stated – any violence will automatically end the possibility of talks

The Govt of India should publicly announce these conditions and concessions. Anyone willing to work within this framework should be called for talks and the solution to the problem should be found.

Now that the carrot has been shown it is time for the stick

1. Stricter action against Stone Pelters – There should be stricter action against stone pelting. If the stone pelting is disrupting an Army Operation against militants then ther should be full freedom for the army to use whatever means necessary to achieve their task even if it means use of live bullets.
2. Parents responsible for children stone pelting – If any children are found to be indulging in stone pelting they should be sent to juvenile homes and their parents should also be brought in for questioning. Put pressure on both parties and see the result.
3. Freeze of bank accounts and withdrawal of security of separatists – the bank accounts of all Hurriyat leaders should be frozen and the security given to them withdrawn if there is any incident of violence or if they give any calls for violence.
4. No House arrest but jail – Instead of keeping Hurriyat leaders in house arrest they should be jailed – not in Srinagar but in Delhi.
5. Monitoring of Friday Sermons – there should be strict monitoring and video graphing of Friday sermons to see if there are calls for violence. The imams must be held responsible for what happens in the sermon.

A strict Carrot and stick policy with no pandering to left liberal human rights brigade will bring an end to the Kashmir issue like it did in case of Punjab

http://myvoice.opindia.com/2017/06/...04.797464837.1497408958-2018236212.1484144138

 

[Kabira]

A strict Carrot and stick policy with no pandering to left liberal human rights brigade will bring an end to the Kashmir issue like it did in case of Punjab

Kashmir situation is very different then one in east punjab Khalistan movement. Kashmiris are homogeneous. While in east punjab there were hindus who obviously didn't want Khalistan along with mazhabhi sikhs who make up 30% of sikh population also were not interested in Khalistan. These differences allowed India to find allies in punjab and crush insurgency.

 

[Soumitra]

Kashmir situation is very different then one in east punjab Khalistan movement. Kashmiris are homogeneous. While in east punjab there were hindus who obviously didn't want Khalistan along with mazhabhi sikhs who make up 30% of sikh population also were not interested in Khalistan. These differences allowed India to find allies in punjab and crush insurgency.

Even in J&K Jammu and Ladakh dont have problem with India. The problem areas are just 3-4 districts which make barely 15-20% of the area

 

[Kabira]

Even in J&K Jammu and Ladakh dont have problem with India. The problem areas are just 3-4 districts which make barely 15-20% of the area

Obviously I'm only talking about ethnic Kashmiris here. East punjab was different case.

 

[Fireurimagination]

For Kashmir problem to get solved, it has to get worse first. We need a reason to impose president rule, remove article 370 and bring hell on separatists. India should prepare for a year of @ss kicking and then hand over the four said districts to Army. Dialogue has to be there and it should be with the people of Kashmir directly. Modi should address them directly preferably by going there.

 

[UnitedPak]

"Right wing" doesn't mean that you can do away with democracy and human rights. A common misconception.

 

[Soumitra]

"Right wing" doesn't mean that you can do away with democracy and human rights. A common misconception.

You cant throw stones and do violence in garb of democracy. And Human rights are NOT for terrorists

 

[Mugwop]

You can't even control the situation in IOK and dream about conquering Azaad Kashmir.

 

[Verve]

The biggest redline of India is that Independence for Kashmir is unequivocally ruled out. The second red line is no referendum in Kashmir.

Your rulers will not do that very first step. Try that and you Hindus would have to do ethnic cleansing in Kashmir to retain that land. Go on .. do this very first step.

 

[Soumitra]

Your rulers will not do that very first step. Try that and you Hindus would have to do ethnic cleansing in Kashmir to retain that land. Go on .. do this very first step.

Which govt after Nehru has said that they are in favour of independence to Kashmir or referendum? Even his own party cant dare say that,

And yes we have passed a unnimous resolution in the parliament that J&K is integral part of India which effectively means the same

 

[SarthakGanguly]

A right-wing Indian’s solution to Kashmir problem

A lot of column inches have been written by people from all sides regarding the “solution” to Kashmir. I would also like to put my thoughts on the same. I am an unabashed Right Wing Indian Hindu Nationalist. I will give my solution from a right-wing perspective.

These days it is fashionable for the left liberals to say that Modi govt is making Kashmir situation worse and they should go for “talks” with all stakeholders. My simple counter question is that Modi came to power in 2014 before that for 10 long years it was so called “secular” govt in India. What was the benefit form all the “talks” they did with Hurriyat, Pakistan and the Separatists? If “talks” could lead to a solution then it would have happened. As Albert Einstien said “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” Talks have failed for 25 years (1989-2014) There is no point in continuing for 25 more years

It is now time to change the dynamics of the game. We should shift the gears. To give a cricketing analogy it is time to get out of languid test mode and into the slam bang T-20 mode.

We need to do the following things to have a meaningful outcome based strategy

1. Define the red lines– India has some red lines. The structure of these are broadly known. Now it is time to put them on the table in a crystal clear manner. The biggest redline of India is that Independence for Kashmir is unequivocally ruled out. The second red line is no referendum in Kashmir. Short of these two things India is willing to discuss any other issue
2. Define the Stakeholders– The next obvious thing is to define who exactly are the stakeholders for the talks and solution. Who is a stakeholder flows from India’s redlines. Since referendum and independence is out of question that automatically rules out Pakistan as a stakeholder as far as India’s internal matter of Kashmir is concerned. Any talks with Pakistan should be related to cross border terrorism and the return of Azad Kashmir. Similarly, if the separatists are not able to accept India’s redlines then there is no benefit of talking to them. We should talk to only those who are willing to discuss within the red lines.

A stakeholder should also be a representative of the people. Just by saying that you are a “leader” does not prove anything. The true leadership is proven by the EVM. If you are truly the representative of the people then you should fight and win elections. If the people follow you then they will vote for you. So, the true stakeholder for any talks will only be an elected representative of the people

1. Peaceful Atmosphere– We should call out the bluff of the so-called stakeholders. Are they actually interested in the peaceful solution or not? To do that they should demonstrate their commitment to peace. Any talks will take place if and only if there is complete peace for a minimum period of 6 month. There should be no violence, no stone pelting, no militant attacks for 6 months and then we will come to the negotiation table. If any violence takes place then the talks are off the table.

Any solution to the problem obviously must include some concession from our side. So, India should propose the following:

1. Elections to choose the representatives – India has said that the talks will be held only with the actual representatives of the people. To facilitate this, India should say that if there is no violence for a period of 6 months then the govt will step down and fresh elections will be held under international supervision. The separatist leaders will be given full freedom to contest these elections. If and when they win they can take part in talks
2. Withdrawal of Army – A big CBM will be the proposal to withdraw the army from the urban areas. Army will stay in their barracks outside the cities. They will be called into action if and only if there is any violent incident. The law and order situation will be handled by J&K police and CRPF. The corollary is that if there is violence and stone pelting then the Army will be given full freedom to do whatever it takes to stop the violence. And as already stated – any violence will automatically end the possibility of talks

The Govt of India should publicly announce these conditions and concessions. Anyone willing to work within this framework should be called for talks and the solution to the problem should be found.

Now that the carrot has been shown it is time for the stick

1. Stricter action against Stone Pelters – There should be stricter action against stone pelting. If the stone pelting is disrupting an Army Operation against militants then ther should be full freedom for the army to use whatever means necessary to achieve their task even if it means use of live bullets.
2. Parents responsible for children stone pelting – If any children are found to be indulging in stone pelting they should be sent to juvenile homes and their parents should also be brought in for questioning. Put pressure on both parties and see the result.
3. Freeze of bank accounts and withdrawal of security of separatists – the bank accounts of all Hurriyat leaders should be frozen and the security given to them withdrawn if there is any incident of violence or if they give any calls for violence.
4. No House arrest but jail – Instead of keeping Hurriyat leaders in house arrest they should be jailed – not in Srinagar but in Delhi.
5. Monitoring of Friday Sermons – there should be strict monitoring and video graphing of Friday sermons to see if there are calls for violence. The imams must be held responsible for what happens in the sermon.

A strict Carrot and stick policy with no pandering to left liberal human rights brigade will bring an end to the Kashmir issue like it did in case of Punjab

http://myvoice.opindia.com/2017/06/...04.797464837.1497408958-2018236212.1484144138

How is being a Hindu nationalist equivalent to being a right winger? There are plenty of Hindutvadis who are centrists, leftists etc.

Anyway - some of the points have already been implemented. Like the Army is in the barracks and the law and order is handled by the CRPF and the JK police only. Only in emergencies the Army comes out to send the terrorists to their heaven.

Overall, he also thinks that Kashmiri Islamic separatism is like any other separatism in the world. Which is not true. Islam is in conflict here with the rest. The khutbah sermons are done publicly. Non Muslims need to shun their feelings for some time and enter the mosques on Fridays in Srinagar and hear them. Nobody will stop them.

If India wants peace in the 5 districts of Kashmir, the demography has to change. Stone pelting, secession, protests, ISIS activities, killing and eviction of non Muslims etc - all are the SYMPTOMS of a single problem.

That needs to be tackled. Elections/doles NEED NOT be the answer to resolving conflicts. PR China does not conduct elections in Tibet. Yet it is reasonably peaceful.

Learn the lessons, then have the guts to implement them. Else bleed by bits for centuries.

 

[Soumitra]

How is being a Hindu nationalist equivalent to being a right winger? There are plenty of Hindutvadis who are centrists, leftists etc.

This article is written by me. I consider myself a Right Wing Hindu Nationalist. I partially agree with you that Hindutwaadi can be centerist (I mysel am center right not extreme right wing. However I dont agree that leftists can be Hindutvadi. They are polar opposites. Can you give me a single example of a left wing hindutvadi person

Overall, he also thinks that Kashmiri Islamic separatism is like any other separatism in the world. Which is not true. Islam is in conflict here with the rest. The khutbah sermons are done publicly. Non Muslims need to shun their feelings for some time and enter the mosques on Fridays in Srinagar and hear them. Nobody will stop them.

I totally agree that Islamism is a the core problem. That is why I said

Monitoring of Friday Sermons – there should be strict monitoring and video graphing of Friday sermons to see if there are calls for violence. The imams must be held responsible for what happens in the sermon.

If India wants peace in the 5 districts of Kashmir, the demography has to change. Stone pelting, secession, protests, ISIS activities, killing and eviction of non Muslims etc - all are the SYMPTOMS of a single problem.

I totallly agree with you

 

[Leviza]

Define the red lines– India has some red lines. The structure of these are broadly known. Now it is time to put them on the table in a crystal clear manner. The biggest redline of India is that Independence for Kashmir is unequivocally ruled out. The second red line is no referendum in Kashmir. Short of these two things India is willing to discuss any other issue

There is no point in talk if India have stubborn attitudes and thinks things will sort out itself

Stupid ppl keep on writing stuff whose family doesn't listen to them anymore

Kashmir will fight against this occupied forces and Pakistan should also define some new bloody parameters


1- freedom fighters are not terrorists
2- we should arm them
3- open support

I mean how long Pakistan should wait for peace full outcome of it when India is so much stubborn and yes there is no point in talks only snatch it by force a freedom fighting force is the only answer

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Can you give me a single example of a left wing hindutvadi person

Sure. I won't name people. But many RSS folks for instance buy into the Swadeshi thing far too strictly. All multinationals are evil. No different for the Classical Socialists.

Of course by Left I don't mean the Marxists. They are not human.

This article is written by me.

Cool.
You write well.

 

[Soumitra]

Sure. I won't name people. But many RSS folks for instance buy into the Swadeshi thing far too strictly. All multinationals are evil. No different for the Classical Socialists.

Of course by Left I don't mean the Marxists. They are not human.

When I said left I was talking about the current crop of left libtards - you know what I mean.

Cool.
You write well.

Thanks