A question to both intelligent Bangladeshis and Bangladeshi Poodle Indians

[tman786]

I find it odd, Bengalis seem to have forgotten about the genocides of 1947 by Indians..they only recall 1971 and then inflate death figures

If it wasn't for Pakistan, there would not have been a Bangladesh.

Would independent Bangladesh in 1947 be here today? No chance. Bangladesh would have not allowed to survived for a day and would have occupied by India.

the events that led to 71, Bengali terrorism over flawed election result was never justified.

A crackdown was inevitable and the Bengali nationalists shoulder responsibility for the course of history.

If bengalis wanted independence post 1947 when it was East Pakistan, it could have been a peaceful endeavour. Blood was lost on all sides not just bengalis. Stop exaggerating the deaths and tell stories from both sides

 

[bluesky]

If it wasn't for Pakistan, there would not have been a Bangladesh.

Would independent Bangladesh in 1947 be here today? No chance. Bangladesh would have not allowed to survived for a day and would have occupied by India.

the events that led to 71, Bengali terrorism over flawed election result was never justified.

A crackdown was inevitable and the Bengali nationalists shoulder responsibility for the course of history.

If bengalis wanted independence post 1947 when it was East Pakistan, it could have been a peaceful endeavour. Blood was lost on all sides not just bengalis. Stop exaggerating the deaths and tell stories from both sides

You are talking fuzzy. Read the history of the creation of Pakistan and what are the contribution in it by the Muslims of Bengal/Bihar on one side and those from the present-day Pakistanis. Muslim League started in Dhaka and Muslims here contributed more in the creation. However, west Pakistanis unfairly enjoyed the fruit more than we did and that is the reason for grievances in the east.

Do not please state everything upside down.

 

[tman786]

I'm am aware of contribution of Bengalis to independence of Pakistan and I personally feel, we should never have been one country in the first place. It wasn't going to work with the geographical and cultural differences.

My point is, if Bangladesh wasn't part of Pakistan from 47, a Bangladesh from that time, would have been easier to absorb and acceptable to world powers.

I don't wish harm to Bangladesh and would like for our nation's to acknowledge the past and move on.

Thanks

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Bengalis are still to date trying join the puzzle up to make some sense out of the whole fiasco that led to its birth .. there is a version we give them and the indian version they learn at school.. I dont believe both countries can have good relations till one side keeps Injecting poison into young minds... so it's useless what ik says to hasina today.. once ik is not in power it will back to square 1.

War is just an excuse... bengalis didn’t start the war... Pakistan army did. They basically did the jobs of Indians for them (dismemberment of a country) and it’s a shame to this day they won’t own up to their fault. I don’t blame the people of Pakistan however as they were kept in shadows

Dude .. east pakistan was supposed to separate peacefully.. it was being planned out by west Pakistan in 60s but mujib wanted to rule the whole Pakistan..the same guy who was caught in agratal case and asked india for secessionist support later wanted to rule the whole country upon winning elections. . this was not going to happen.

The Mujahideen project turned Afghanistan into a perpetual

You are an idiot.. pakistan afganistan had issues since 47.. had a small war 1960.mujahedeen came to picture in 70s

 

[bluesky]

I'm am aware of contribution of Bengalis to independence of Pakistan and I personally feel, we should never have been one country in the first place. It wasn't going to work with the geographical and cultural differences.

My point is, if Bangladesh wasn't part of Pakistan from 47, a Bangladesh from that time, would have been easier to absorb and acceptable to world powers.

I don't wish harm to Bangladesh and would like for our nation's to acknowledge the past and move on.

Thanks

No, you are wrong in your assumption of creating two Pakistans in 1947. Congress and British would have eaten up the dream at that very point. The Agreement/Treaty between the British, Muslim League and Congress was based on the creation of two countries in three locations and not three countries in three locations. A new demand would have created only bickering and infighting among the Muslim leaders from the east to west. Muslim dreams would have been shattered.

You are seeing things not in their 1947 perspective, but in 1971 and 2020 perspectives.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Pakistan worried india was working to destabilize east Pakistan in order to break it away in 1962, it was one of the reasons Pakistan didnt attack india when they were butchered by chinese (the appeasement disnt work). This shows the concern was since that time. It takes years to create hatred and separatism, it doesnt happen overnight. There were many political reasons too, bhutto didnt want to give power to mujeeb, the army was also reluctant because of his links to indian establishment. The people of bangaal already had their rights under one unit. Mujeeb just wanted to separate no matter what. I still think referendum was the best choice. Now after 50 years and new generation, u either move on and forget or keep demanding for things n keep blaming each other.

The entire blame for 1971 goes to the Pakistani administration. The oppression perpetrated by the Pakistani administration on Bengalis ignited the fire of independence.

India cannot be blamed. What India did was they took the opportunity of the already existing prejudice amongst the Bengalis and this is what international politics is all about.

 

[idune]

The entire blame for 1971 goes to the Pakistani administration.

How 50 year old history is matter for today's reality?

 

[namefield_empty]

The entire blame for 1971 goes to the Pakistani administration. The oppression perpetrated by the Pakistani administration on Bengalis ignited the fire of independence.

India cannot be blamed. What India did was they took the opportunity of the already existing prejudice amongst the Bengalis and this is what international politics is all about.

Whilst i agree with your first para, the subsequent sentences make no sense.

India was dragged into the war by the atrocities of the genocidal Pakistani Army and your Razakars and Badrs.

Every other month threads are created on this forum on the number of 30 lakhs Bengalis dead in '71. Some of the turds laugh it off outright while the rest adopt a sceptical approach. What none of them do is factually analyse the disappearance of lakhs of Bangladeshis unaccounted for in your liberation struggle. A straightforward and honest answer to that would explain your second para.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Dude .. east pakistan was supposed to separate peacefully.. it was being planned out by west Pakistan in 60s but mujib wanted to rule the whole Pakistan..the same guy who was caught in agratal case and asked india for secessionist support later wanted to rule the whole country upon winning elections. . this was not going to happen

Every year new theories come from you guys xD

Most Pakistanis also blame bhutto and yahya khan but does not mean we are solely to be blamed. Was mujeeb a kid that his subordinates made deals with india and he didn't know?? Come on..

What do you expect a man in west Pakistan jail to do?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... The Mujahideen project turned Afghanistan into a perpetual enemy...

How did India's Sri Lanka project end?

 

[TNT]

The entire blame for 1971 goes to the Pakistani administration. The oppression perpetrated by the Pakistani administration on Bengalis ignited the fire of independence.

India cannot be blamed. What India did was they took the opportunity of the already existing prejudice amongst the Bengalis and this is what international politics is all about.

No it was a plan of india. Initially they were reluctant due to US but after 65 they fully operationalized. Pakistani administration also played a role and especially power greedy politician like bhutto.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Every year new theories come from you guys xD

what theory..the fact that he wanted to be the prime minister of the two wings or that he was caught as a traitor earlier 1962

On 22 February 2011, one of the accused of Agartala conspiracy case, Shawkat Ali, told the parliament in Bangladesh that the Agartala conspiracy case was not false and the charges brought against the accused were all true. He also confirmed that Mujibur Rahman and Mohammad Ali Reza had indeed gone to Agartala, India to seek Indian support for Bangladesh's independence.

https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2011/02/23/agartala-conspiracy-case-was-not-false

 

[bluesky]

what theory..the fact that he wanted to be the prime minister of the two wings or that he was caught as a traitor earlier

On 22 February 2011, one of the accused of Agartala conspiracy case, Shawkat Ali, told the parliament in Bangladesh that the Agartala conspiracy case was not false and the charges brought against the accused were all true. He also confirmed that Mujibur Rahman and Mohammad Ali Reza had indeed gone to Agartala, India to seek Indian support for Bangladesh's independence.

https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2011/02/23/agartala-conspiracy-case-was-not-false

Even President Ayub Khan could not get proofs against Mujib. The President would have hanged Mujib without fail because it was a rebellion. Mujib was allowed to participate in the 1970 general election.

Why? Because the Agartala Conspiracy itself was hatched by the Pakistan Govt establishment controlled by the racist west Pakistani bureaucrats/leaders.

Do not please keep on beliving Pakistn Radio propaganda.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Bengalis are still to date trying join the puzzle up to make some sense out of the whole fiasco that led to its birth .. there is a version we give them and the indian version they learn at school.. I dont believe both countries can have good relations till one side keeps Injecting poison into young minds... so it's useless what ik says to hasina today.. once ik is not in power it will back to square 1.

Dude .. east pakistan was supposed to separate peacefully.. it was being planned out by west Pakistan in 60s but mujib wanted to rule the whole Pakistan..the same guy who was caught in agratal case and asked india for secessionist support later wanted to rule the whole country upon winning elections. . this was not going to happen.

You are an idiot.. pakistan afganistan had issues since 47.. had a small war 1960.mujahedeen came to picture in 70s

Apart from trying to take advantage of political turmoil in Pakistan, India had another reason for which they invaded East Pakistan and that was target killing of Hindus by the Pakistani administration.

During the 1971 liberation war it was Hindus who suffered the most. Pakistan administration mostly targeted Hindus. In one statistics it was mentioned that out of every rape case recorded, 45% were Hindu women and 55% were muslims and back then Hindus were 15% of the total population of East Pakistan.

My grandmother told me that many hindus from our village in Chittagong were forcedfully converted to Islam by Jamaat e Islami thugs.

Muslims were targeted too but only if you were Pro Awami league or a Mukti bahini soldier.

1971 liberation war is to an extent religious persecution of Bengali Hindus.

So yes religious persecution of Hindus also prompted India to take action.

@X-ray Papa mind reading this

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Even President Ayub Khan could not get proofs against Mujib. The President would have hanged Mujib without fail because it was a rebellion. Mujib was allowed to participate in the 1970 general election.

Why? Because the Agartala Conspiracy itself was hatched by the Pakistan Govt establishment controlled by the racist west Pakistani bureaucrats/leaders.

Do not please keep on believing Pakistn Radio propaganda.

how can someone be hanged without a proper trial..and why hang someone to make bengali population more hostile the population you want to separate off with on friendly terms...sometimes the idiots here just baffle me how they term everything as propaganda rather than countering the original argument..
Pakistanis were looking for an alternate leadership in Bangladesh that would be not pro india and they could leave off and not Mujib(because of his indian connection) therefore he was jailed.Meanwhile KGB worked very well in Bangladesh to develop Mujibs foot ground while he was in prison..thanks to maulna bhashani and other touts ..also kudos to KGB for how they seeped into media and civil bureaucracy of the east wing, how casualties at the hands of police were played politically against Pakistan.


in late 60s a local vulture (zulfiqar Ali Bhutto) formed his own party and went against Ayub to cash on political distress since he saw an opportunity to rule the future Pakistan minus east Pakistan..a body called Democratic Action Committee by political figures was formed to have Mujib released and Ayub did so under pressure of domestic politics and Mujib was sent of to Bengal to continue with his indian political ambitions..(hum idhar tum udhar-) an undeclared understanding between bhutto and mujib that they will rule their respective wings ..but plot twist Mujib later played politics upon winning showing everyone he was innocent and as a proof of it he showed desired to rule the two wings when he won elections..thats how he tried to wash off the smuch of agratal case..
Its a useless argument whether he should have been allowed to or not to contest in 1970..He would have been a proxy ruler of Bangladesh regardless whoever would have been in power there.Frankly west Pakistan had already lost its grip on the bureaucracy of its east wing so like west Pakistan really had a chance stop someone from contesting..
There are many people who have actually validated Mujibs indian connection...not sue why Bangladeshis have trouble accepting it.one of them is a famous indian writer,,
https://www.globalvillagespace.com/a-meeting-on-christmas-night-dacca-25-dec-1962/

Apart from trying to take advantage of political turmoil in Pakistan, India had another reason for which they invaded East Pakistan and that was target killing of Hindus by the Pakistani administration.

During the 1971 liberation war it was Hindus who suffered the most. Pakistan administration mostly targeted Hindus. In one statistics it was mentioned that out of every rape case recorded, 45% were Hindu women and 55% were muslims and back then Hindus were 15% of the total population of East Pakistan.

My grandmother told me that many hindus from our village in Chittagong were forcedfully converted to Islam by Jamaat e Islami thugs.

Muslims were targeted too but only if you were Pro Awami league or a Mukti bahini soldier.

1971 liberation war is to an extent religious persecution of Bengali Hindus.

So yes religious persecution of Hindus also prompted India to take action.

@X-ray Papa mind reading this

i can make up similar stories that bengalie hindus raped killed 1 million biharis in east pakistan....
what an you do about it?