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Interviewee : Javed Akhtar :
Interviewer : Wajahat Khan
Q: Is opposite of secularism religion ?
A. No, opp of religion is atheism and opp of secular is fascism !
Q. ....It is because muslims were facing such godhra like choice that they opted for pakistan ?
A. They asked for pakistan because they were communal.
Q. But we can also say muslims wanted pakistan cause they wanted religious autonomy ?
A. Religious autonomy ? We in India have more religious autonomy than ANY MUSLIM country in the world ! Name a single muslim country where all sects of muslim country can choose to worship as they want it ?? Can khazianis ( ? ) and ahmedias do that in pakistan ? Can sunnis do in IRAN ? NO
This is the only country in the world and I repeat the ONLY country in the world where muslims have total religious freedom !
Q. Then how do you see acts like godhra ?
A. This is .. $%$^ . Let us not confuse religion with communalism. Org like RSS/VHP/Bajrang Dal are fascists. They have been very aggressive against minorities and not only muslims.
But people who are fighting against them are not only muslims. As a matter of fact much more than muslims, there are hindus fighting against them.
Q. U also put RSS and MUSLIM League in pakistan on the same platform ! U said both were collaborators of british empire ?
Yes. I did. RSS got formed in 1925 and India got independence in 1947. In 22 years not ONE RSS leader was behind bar for a day. Not a single ONE.
Q. Is that a yardstick ?
A. Yes. That means they never protested. Also, no muslim league leader was arrested for 5 hours. Never !
Q. A lot of muslim leaguers would say they were more constitutional ?
A. Whose constitution ? They were following britisher's constitution ! Wonderful !
Again. In 1942 when Gandhi gave call of quit India, There were only 2 organizations in India who opposed that. One was RSS and other Muslim League. There is a tremendous similarity between the two.
Q. The comeback was that perhaps Jinnah was uncomfortable with the use of religious symbolism use by gandhiji.
A. So he made a religious country in return ? How wonderful !
Q. A religious country or a theocracy ? Both are different ! ?
A. Well you call it a islamic country don't you ?
Q. It is actually a Islamic republic !
A. So you were against gandhi's secular religious practices and to oppose that, u made a country which is theocratic !
Q. Allright, speaking of theocracy, u have also said that pakistan is a laboratory for hindutva ! ?
A. Very right ! Because what do they want to do ? They are a mirror image for muslim league. One wanted a country for muslims and other wanted one for hindus.
Q. It is a rather simplistic view ?
A. No not at all. Not at all. You have a theocratic country. They also want to make a theocratic country.
Q. RSS has called for wiping out minorities. ? You don't have Muslim league or anyone who have called for that ?
A. As a matter of fact u have to have a minority to say that ! Although whoever is left in pakistan, they are also treated like that. We all know about it. There is a place called shantinagar near Lahore. U must be aware of it. U can find out few years back what had happened there ! How any christians can be said to have asked blasphemous things and can be hanged or put in jail ? How so many went missing ?
As for the hindus are concerned there, how many you have ? At the time of partition you had 10% hindu population, now they are not even 1%. SO to be unjust to minorities you need to have them.
Q. But u can't deny that anywhere in world that no doubt there is a hindu right wing. How can u hide behind "Fascism" and term it irreligious communalism and not what it is ? It is a war of religion afterall there !
A. No it is not. See, savarkar who coined this term hindutva, he was a self proclaimed atheist.
And Jinnah, you know better. How religious he was. So let us not confuse religionism with communalism.
Q. This is for calling pakistan a lab for hindutva. This is some statistical analysis ! ......
( I am sick of typing ! ....)
TalkBack w/ Wajahat Khan & Javed Akhtar Ep31 Pt3 - YouTube
TalkBack w/ Wajahat Khan & Javed Akhtar Ep31 Pt4 - YouTube
A very nice interview !!! Glad to know nationalists like them exist here !
Interviewer : Wajahat Khan
Q: Is opposite of secularism religion ?
A. No, opp of religion is atheism and opp of secular is fascism !
Q. ....It is because muslims were facing such godhra like choice that they opted for pakistan ?
A. They asked for pakistan because they were communal.
Q. But we can also say muslims wanted pakistan cause they wanted religious autonomy ?
A. Religious autonomy ? We in India have more religious autonomy than ANY MUSLIM country in the world ! Name a single muslim country where all sects of muslim country can choose to worship as they want it ?? Can khazianis ( ? ) and ahmedias do that in pakistan ? Can sunnis do in IRAN ? NO
This is the only country in the world and I repeat the ONLY country in the world where muslims have total religious freedom !
Q. Then how do you see acts like godhra ?
A. This is .. $%$^ . Let us not confuse religion with communalism. Org like RSS/VHP/Bajrang Dal are fascists. They have been very aggressive against minorities and not only muslims.
But people who are fighting against them are not only muslims. As a matter of fact much more than muslims, there are hindus fighting against them.
Q. U also put RSS and MUSLIM League in pakistan on the same platform ! U said both were collaborators of british empire ?
Yes. I did. RSS got formed in 1925 and India got independence in 1947. In 22 years not ONE RSS leader was behind bar for a day. Not a single ONE.
Q. Is that a yardstick ?
A. Yes. That means they never protested. Also, no muslim league leader was arrested for 5 hours. Never !
Q. A lot of muslim leaguers would say they were more constitutional ?
A. Whose constitution ? They were following britisher's constitution ! Wonderful !
Again. In 1942 when Gandhi gave call of quit India, There were only 2 organizations in India who opposed that. One was RSS and other Muslim League. There is a tremendous similarity between the two.
Q. The comeback was that perhaps Jinnah was uncomfortable with the use of religious symbolism use by gandhiji.
A. So he made a religious country in return ? How wonderful !
Q. A religious country or a theocracy ? Both are different ! ?
A. Well you call it a islamic country don't you ?
Q. It is actually a Islamic republic !
A. So you were against gandhi's secular religious practices and to oppose that, u made a country which is theocratic !
Q. Allright, speaking of theocracy, u have also said that pakistan is a laboratory for hindutva ! ?
A. Very right ! Because what do they want to do ? They are a mirror image for muslim league. One wanted a country for muslims and other wanted one for hindus.
Q. It is a rather simplistic view ?
A. No not at all. Not at all. You have a theocratic country. They also want to make a theocratic country.
Q. RSS has called for wiping out minorities. ? You don't have Muslim league or anyone who have called for that ?
A. As a matter of fact u have to have a minority to say that ! Although whoever is left in pakistan, they are also treated like that. We all know about it. There is a place called shantinagar near Lahore. U must be aware of it. U can find out few years back what had happened there ! How any christians can be said to have asked blasphemous things and can be hanged or put in jail ? How so many went missing ?
As for the hindus are concerned there, how many you have ? At the time of partition you had 10% hindu population, now they are not even 1%. SO to be unjust to minorities you need to have them.
Q. But u can't deny that anywhere in world that no doubt there is a hindu right wing. How can u hide behind "Fascism" and term it irreligious communalism and not what it is ? It is a war of religion afterall there !
A. No it is not. See, savarkar who coined this term hindutva, he was a self proclaimed atheist.
And Jinnah, you know better. How religious he was. So let us not confuse religionism with communalism.
Q. This is for calling pakistan a lab for hindutva. This is some statistical analysis ! ......
( I am sick of typing ! ....)
TalkBack w/ Wajahat Khan & Javed Akhtar Ep31 Pt3 - YouTube
TalkBack w/ Wajahat Khan & Javed Akhtar Ep31 Pt4 - YouTube
A very nice interview !!! Glad to know nationalists like them exist here !
