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The man aced the German naturalization test, but refused to shake hands with the female official handing over his citizenship. Despite claims he will not shake hands with men either, his citizenship has been rejected.

German court ruled on Friday that a Muslim man who refused to shake the hand of a woman should not receive German citizenship.

The 40-year-old Lebanese doctor, who came to Germany in 2002, said he refuses to shake women's hands for religious reasons.

The Administrative Court of Baden-Württemberg (VGH) ruled that someone who rejects a handshake due to a "fundamentalist conception of culture and values" because they see women as "a danger of sexual temptation" was thereby rejecting "integration into German living conditions."

Promise to his wife
The doctor studied medicine in Germany and now works as a senior physician in a clinic. He applied for citizenship through naturalization in 2012, for which he signed a declaration of loyalty to the German constitution and against extremism. He passed the naturalization test with the best possible score.

Nevertheless, he was not granted citizenship because he refused to shake hands with the responsible official when the naturalization certificate was handed over in 2015. The woman therefore withheld the certificate and rejected the application.

He argued that he had promised his wife not to shake hands with another woman.


His petition against the ruling was unsuccessful before the Stuttgart Administrative Court and he appealed to the VGH. Following its decision Saturday, the court said that the man can appeal to the Federal Administrative Court due to the fundamental significance of the case.


The VGH described a handshake as a common nonverbal greeting and farewell ritual, which are independent of the sex of the involved parties, adding that the practice goes back centuries.

The judge found that the handshake also has a legal meaning, in that it symbolizes the conclusion of a contract.

The handshake is therefore "deeply rooted in social, cultural and legal life, which shapes the way we live together," the judge said.

The court found that anyone who refuses to shake hands on gender-specific grounds is in breach of the equality enshrined in the German constitution.

Read more: Religion no justification for not shaking teacher's hand, Swiss authorities rule In addition, the man's refusal in this case had the effect of lending validity to a "Salafist perspective" on the social ramifications of relations between men and women. The court said that it made no difference that the man has now declared he will not shake hands with men either.

The man claimed he wanted to affirm the equality of men and women, but the court found that this was merely a tactical move.

The handshake ruling was also handed down despite health officials cautioning against handshaking right now due to the coronavirus pandemic. The judge said he was convinced that the practice would survive the pandemic.

aw/rs (dpa, AFP, epd)
 
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Why do these people go to Europe in first place? I mean if you are so much of an extremist in your religious beliefs that you cant even shake hands of a woman then you deserve this treatment. Why these Salafists travel to the land of infidels to get their citizenship? It is such an insult to other person that they extend a hand and you dont respond in kind.
 
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Why do these people go to Europe in first place? I mean if you are so much of an extremist in your religious beliefs that you cant even shake hands of a woman then you deserve this treatment. Why these Salafists travel to the land of infidels to get their citizenship? It is such an insult to other person that they extend a hand and you dont respond in kind.

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They don't give a fcuk about the west or the values,, is purely a monetary issue

Did the west ever care when they went to the east????
Did the westerners embrace local values?

Of course not


Live within the law but fcuk their values and culture
 
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One word "Sad".

Western values heading south rapidly. What happened to personal choices!!
The presenter of the talent show in America doesn't shake hands with any one. He is mad on personal protection.
Why it is ok not to shake hand for personal protection and not protection of your "beliefs" !!

@Pandora grow up dude.
 
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Islamic rules doesn't apply in European countries. Everyone knows that Christians live in Europe. Our problem is that we want them to convert to our lifestyle which is impossible. Very good decision by Germany. Pakistan should also ban pakistani people from travelling to France. You know in 90%, there is always one guy who believes in extremism and when they do such things like stabbing etc, it maligns image of pakistan. This doctor must understand that Germany is not his country. Good decision.
 
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Economy

They don't give a fcuk about the west or the values,, is purely a monetary issue

Did the west ever care when they went to the east????
Did the westerners embrace local values?

Of course not


Live within the law but fcuk their values and culture

In what world shaking hand of a woman haram and became a cultural value. Not shaking hand of a woman is a salafist concept and people didnt even know about it until Salafist spread it around. How many westerners you see applying for citizenship in the Muslim countries for economic reasons? If you only desire to earn money then that can be done on visa as well dont apply for their citizenship. These same people then marry more than one women flaunting laws while declaring other 3 as mistresses.
 
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Islamic rules doesn't apply in European countries. Everyone knows that Christians live in Europe. Our problem is that we want them to convert to our lifestyle which is impossible. Very good decision by Germany. Pakistan should also ban pakistani people from travelling to France. You know in 90%, there is always one guy who believes in extremism and when they do such things like stabbing etc, it maligns image of pakistan. This doctor must understand that Germany is not his country. Good decision.

Denying treatment to a person is a crime in EU and most countries. If this guy is a doctor and denying patients treatment just bcz they are women then he will break laws. People like these stick out like sour thumbs and spread around bad impression of about Muslims.
 
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seen a molvi in Birmingham do that around 10 or so yeas ago. it all culminated in murder (motivated by jealousy) in the end

seen gora people drinking where its prohibited, so should all goras be stigmatised for that?

regards
 
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The 40-year-old Lebanese doctor, who came to Germany in 2002, said he refuses to shake women's hands for religious reasons.

A fool.

And he's a doctor. Doesn't he hold women's hands to check their pulse ?

not so long ago another loony doc lost his job in the NHS for washing his feet in a handwash basin (in preparation for salaat) in his examination room while a patient was present. she objected and he told her to shut-up.

Another fool.
 
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seen a molvi in Birmingham do that around 10 or so yeas ago. it all culminated in murder (motivated by jealousy) in the end

Its very common amongst arab communities in EU and UK. These lunatics are extremists of the highest order and have nothing to do with Islam. I remember one time i was in London with faimly and some of these arse wipes gathered doing protest and calling all Pakistanis infidels. Pakistanis as usual lost it and some of them beat the living crap out of them.
 
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Denying treatment to a person is a crime in EU and most countries. If this guy is a doctor and denying patients treatment just bcz they are women then he will break laws. People like these stick out like sour thumbs and spread around bad impression of about Muslims.
We muslims mostly live in our old glorious victorious empire that we once had. Time has changed but we aren't ready to move on. We aren't ready to accept the evolution. If you are Islamic and you want to see Islamic rules implemented than you must not travel to Christian or Jews dominated regions. But again, progress is key and learning new technologies is good for personal development. Without learning new subjects, how can we progress as Muslims? These Muslim people don't understand.
 
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In what world shaking hand of a woman haram and became a cultural value. Not shaking hand of a woman is a salafist concept and people didnt even know about it until Salafist spread it around. How many westerners you see applying for citizenship in the Muslim countries for economic reasons? If you only desire to earn money then that can be done on visa as well dont apply for their citizenship. These same people then marry more than one women flaunting laws while declaring other 3 as mistresses.


Why not????

Some people don't shake hands because they are germaphobes

For supposed free societies they seem quite belligerent
 
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Why do these people go to Europe in first place? I mean if you are so much of an extremist in your religious beliefs that you cant even shake hands of a woman then you deserve this treatment. Why these Salafists travel to the land of infidels to get their citizenship? It is such an insult to other person that they extend a hand and you dont respond in kind.
Becos they want to lynch on the generous welfare system of EU in the first place. :enjoy:
 
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