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In late October 2014, the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) cleared the
long pending Project 75I, a proposal by the Indian Navy (IN) to acquire
six diesel-electric submarines (SSK) presumably different in design from
the present generation of Scorpenes currently under construction at
Mazagon Dockyard Limited (MDL), Mumbai. The proposal is tentatively
valued at Rs 50000-80000 crores and involves the manufacture of all six
units domestically with foreign technology input. The decision comes
nearly four years after the IN first released a request for information
(RFI) for this line of submarines and is harmonized with the Modi
government’s ‘Make in India’ program in that all six units are to be
built in India. This actually represents a departure from the IN’s
earlier plan which sought to import the first two units from a foreign
yard and have four more units of the same design built at Indian yards
under collaboration.

The fact that all six units will have to be built in India means that
there might be some changes in the way this project is executed. In the
earlier scheme of things the IN was expected to select a foreign
‘collaborator’ yard based on the capabilities that were on offer, cost
and the kind of technology transfer and work outsourcing the same could
offer to the two Indian shipyards which would build the remaining units
after the first two were imported directly from the overseas yard. The
home built units would have seen a three-one breakup between MDL and
Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL). Now however, industrial partnerships
between foreign collaborators and domestic shipyards may have to be put
in place first following which a global RFP could be sent out to foreign
OEMs who have put in place credible collaboration to indigenize their
proprietary design.

In any case, it seems that all major shipyards in India have been
sounded out to see whether they are keen to participate in this program.
Three shipyards of the seven who are being evaluated i.e Goa Shipyard
Limited, Cochin Shipyard Limited and Garden Reach Shipbuilders and
Engineers Limited are unlikely candidates given that they have never
worked on submarines and specialize in surface combatants of different
types for which they will keep getting steady orders. A fourth yard that
has never built a submarine before or serviced one is Pipavav Defence
and Offshore Engineering. Now Pipavav is an interesting candidate in
some ways because it has sewed up some agreements with overseas majors
to specifically to enter the submarine market and also has the capacity
to build many boats simultaneously. However it remains to be seen
whether the IN will see it as a strong candidate for the submarine program.

Of the remaining three, MDL is known to have made a case before the
government for continuing their submarine building line, so that the
capabilities it has built up as a result of Project 75 ( i.e the
Scorpene project) ‘do not go waste’. Since all six Scorpene hulls have
been fabricated, the hull fabrication unit at MDL is currently lying
unused even as it is being oiled in anticipation of new orders.

However the idea behind Project 75I was always to get a second submarine
building facility in India for strategic reasons. If that still be the
case, it is unlikely that MDL will be selected for the Project 75I line.
Of course there is a chance that it will get an order to build 3 more
Scorpenes sometime in the near future. In fact that may be what MDL
needs to be i peace with a Project 75I decision that does not involve
it. Although this is mere conjecture.

That brings us to the two remaining yards in contention for Project 75I
namely Larsen & Toubro’s (L&T’s) Katupalli yard and HSL given their
specific experiences in submarine projects. L&T’s Hazira facility after
all fabricated the hull of the INS Arihant and the other three boats in
its class. And HSL has now completed INS Sindhukriti’s refit after years
of delay (owing in some measure to the Russians demanding their pound of
flesh) which has included completely rebuilding parts of the submarine
like the conning tower. It has also been involved in the Arihant class
build program and was specifically moved to the Ministry of Defence
(MoD) from the Ministry of Shipping to build submarines.

In the earlier scheme of things, two strong contenders would not have
been a problem since the IN planned to split the domestic build anyway.
Now however proponents of economies of scale are suggesting that all six
submarines be built in one shipyard given the investment costs involved.
In this a lot of people’s eyes are probably on L&T which previously has
had supporters in the Navy and whose Katupalli shipyard has very modern
facilities that allows ships to be constructed quite quickly.

Moreover L&T’s UG NX5 & PLM Software Team Centre has the capability for
design and development of structural and engineering parts. With design
inputs from DRDO and the IN’s DND, L&T’s Submarine Design Centre (SDC)
created detailed engineering for INS Arihant, using the latest 3D
modeling and product data management software. Moreover L&T builds both
torpedo and missile launch systems.

Be that as it may, according to the Krishnamurthy Committee report no
private shipyard in India has the complete capability to design and
fabricate a modern quiet relatively deep diving SSK, although L&T may
have the ‘potential’ to do so. Indeed given the features that the IN
seeks for Project 75I, it is clear that foreign collaboration will be
required for Project 75I to be built quickly. The IN in its RFI states
that it wants a submarine that should be capable of operating in both
open ocean and littoral waters in a dense ASW and EW environment.
Endurance extension through an air-independent propulsion (AIP) system
is also desired.

Project 75I submarines must have torpedo tubes that can launch heavy
long range wire guided torpedoes and anti-ship missiles. They must have
an externally launched torpedo decoy system. A state of the art
integrated combat system featured on a platform with contemporary low
noise propulsion and power generation including auxiliary motors with
take home capability. An AC system customised for operation in tropical
waters characterized by high temperature and humidity conditions is also
expected. The submarines will obviously sport a modern integrated
platform management system, an automatic power management system and a
submarine command system.

While indigenous sources can provide most sub-systems, packing all this
together in a hull form that achieves contemporary quietening standards
will require foreign collaboration for the selected yards. As such there
are four key foreign collaborators possibly in the fray.

DCNS is offering follow-ons to the Scorpene, indicative models of which
it has been putting on display in various trade shows, with MESMA AIP
and is also trying to stress commonality with the existing project 75
line. Meanwhile Spain’s publicly owned Navantia which broke its
partnership with DCNS a while ago has been offering the S-80 design with
an ethanol based AIP supplied by Abengoa. Navantia also has a tie-up
with Lockheed Martin for combat management systems. In India it is known
to have been working closely with L&T albeit on surface ship projects.

Elsewhere in Europe, ThyssenKrupp Marine has offered the HDW Type 214
which is ultimately a descendant of the Type 209, four of which are
operated by the IN as the Shishumar class. The Germans will seek to
emphasize the stealthiness, AIP capability (PEMFC based) and weapon
versatility of their design. Now Russia’s Rubin has offered the Amur
design on its own and possibly an upgraded S-1000 design in partnership
with Ficantieri. There was a time when the aim was to build one line of
submarines with Western Bloc philosophy and the other with Eastern Bloc
philosophy. If that sentiment still prevails then Rubin may actually end
up being the front-runner for Project 75I. This would be especially so
if the IN desires a vertical launch system (VLS) plug for these
submarines that can fire the Brahmos. Amur models with an eight Brahmos
VLS plug configuration have often been featured in trade shows.

Incidentally besides the Russians, the Germans and Spanish have also
approached Brahmos Aerospace (BA) for installing Brahmos VLS plugs on
their respective designs were it to win the Project 75I contract. All
three seem to be assuring the IN that Brahmos VLS will not affect the
stealthiness and motility of their designs.

The prospect of an AIP equipped Brahmos is of course very attractive for
an IN that wants Project 75I submarines to feature land attack and
serious standoff anti-ship capability. According to BA, which
demonstrated the submerged launch of the Brahmos a while ago, in salvo
mode all eight missiles could be fired from the VLS at 3.5 second
intervals to attack different targets over a 360 degree azimuth. While
that is certainly impressive, the IN also wants Project 75I submarines
to perform stock ASW, ISR and special forces support roles. Moreover AIP
itself will need room is these modest sized SSKs. So it remains to be
seen if the VLS plug option ends up being exercised. There is also the
question of cost.

Fortunately cost concerns related to the AIP system itself have eased
somewhat now that DRDO’s Naval Materials Research Laboratory (NMRL) has
readied an indigenous phosphoric acid fuel cell (PAFC) based AIP which
has been selected for the last two of the six Scorpenes under
construction at MDL. This AIP system will extend submerged endurance to
14 days and generates hydrogen on-board using standard hydrogen rich
chemicals like methanol. The ability to produce need based Hydrogen in
situ and the exclusion of any combustion process in the system add to
the safety of this design since hydrogen need not be stored and nor is
there a need for any heavy rotating machinery. This also recommends the
stealthiness of the system. If this AIP proves a success on the last two
Scorpenes there is every chance of Project 75I fielding this system.

Project 75I is expected to give India the ability to construct many
state of the art submarines simultaneously by seeding another submarine
construction line in India. As such L&T at the moment seems a strong
candidate for this on account of a variety of reasons. However L&T may
have to arrive at a work share agreement with HSL in the interest of
sustaining that yard’s submarine build capability. Of course if the
ongoing move to build at least half a dozen nuclear attack submarines
(SSNs) indigenously fructifies quicker, securing work for HSL may not be
an issue.

Source : A look at the Indian Navy’s Project 75I tender to #MakeinIndia six diesel-electric submarines | idrw.org
 
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Brilliant article touched every cord . P75I looks like vert promising on both delivery time line and technology. Hope Drdo developed AIP works well without any glitches. If so I will salute Drdo team for achieving this much needed capability for our future submarines.

But who will he selected ? Pipavav L&T will be my candidate . MDL should be given follow an order for 3 more Scorpion since its hull fabrication facility is free and that too at the time IN lacks serious underwater fleet . Which would compensate tge delay made by them . 9-10 scorpion + 6 p75i(3 more follow on ) should be the way forward . MDL also be utilised to upgrade our old fleet . Still am not ok with single shipyard policy if it's not Pipavav or L&T to prevent future delays .

On VLS slot for 8 brahmos will change entire dynamic in indian Ocean and even in SCS . 8 missiles can be launched in 4~ sec at multiple targets around 360 is the capability will boost the confidence of our ageing underwater fleet and increase the fear factored among our rivals.
Which submarines will be selected ? Defo not scorpion as we already building 6 (+3) with further modifications to fit in our AIP in all . Russians ? Well when it's comes to submarines Russians have prity decent economically valid subs. But the problem is their new found friendship with China . German ? Well it's very advanced than Russian when it comes to stealth .But am for their 212 larger version than 214 export version . Indian external affairs must some how clinch the deal with fully matured and advanced platform. Rest are not my fav as I don't have much knowledge about them .Very lil.

But all these be delivered ? WELL WELL WELL ... only god knows . As we had some disappointment on this very issue. Giving them credit for undertaking the new initiative yet it can be done with more efficient ways. 2 submarine line is a good initiative. So by 2025 can we expect all 12 be delivered . C
fingers crossed. If possible we can have our own indigenous conventional submarine platform will be a good investment for the future . We can't afford to buy 70 submarines like Chinese which is much needed wish list for securing our regional and international interest . By 2025 am expecting atleast 8-10 Arihant class subs . Since will have more matured knowledge on building nuclear subs . With HDW 212 boats we can have non magnetic hull technology and use it for our future submarines including nuclear subs . Make in India is good but we must also be wise and build submarines on foreign shipyards if we have enough money . No time to waste . It's too lil too late

Good design.

As mention up there. Will she have air-independent propulsion?

Also in terms of EW, What capabilities she will have?
Yes it's the requirement of IN to have AIP as per the contract itself . EW ???? Yet to know. Must wait for which sub will be selected . It will take years usually . But current govt is pushing hard to ramp up indian armed forces which was in slumber for 10 years .
 
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With PM Modi coming, every thing related to defense is moving on different gear previous Congress government and especially defense minister Anthony screwed our defense procurement royally............. It almost seems like last 10 years is a lost decade in terms of purchasing defense product internationally:help::help::help::help::help::help::help:
 
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With PM Modi coming, every thing related to defense is moving on different gear previous Congress government and especially defense minister Anthony screwed our defense procurement royally............. It almost seems like last 10 years is a lost decade in terms of purchasing defense product internationally:help::help::help::help::help::help::help:



Anthony? Are you kidding me? Our defence has been f-ked for decades under Congress and BJP. If you want to give credit, then give it where it is due.....MODI
 
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Anthony? Are you kidding me? Our defence has been f-ked for decades under Congress and BJP. If you want to give credit, then give it where it is due.....MODI
Dude chill.......please read my post carefully i am also saying that Anthony screwed us for 10 years . At least during Vajpayee time Palcon, ins vikramaditya (which again Anthony and russia made a financial mess),Green pine radar,etc were finalized. What ever Isreali product are coming now are work what BJP government done during that time otherwise in congress time we were more against the ISRAELI then even the Palestine were.
 
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Anthony? Are you kidding me? Our defence has been f-ked for decades under Congress and BJP. If you want to give credit, then give it where it is due.....MODI
Till now, Modi did nothing for Indian Defense, when the Indian weapon start to pour in, give him credit.

Future credit is not come under criteria of due.
 
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Till now, Modi did nothing for Indian Defense, when the Indian weapon start to pour in, give him credit.

Future credit is not come under criteria of due.


Fine but I give Modi immense credit for tackling the issues faced by our military head on. Nobody in all these decades had the balls to force the changes he is bringing about.

Dude chill.......please read my post carefully i am also saying that Anthony screwed us for 10 years . At least during Vajpayee time Palcon, ins vikramaditya (which again Anthony and russia made a financial mess),Green pine radar,etc were finalized. What ever Isreali product are coming now are work what BJP government done during that time otherwise in congress time we were more against the ISRAELI then even the Palestine were.



Sry. I got it. However, we are all missing a major point. AK Anthony and ManMohan Singh had their hands tied because of Sonia and Rahul.
 
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Fine but I give Modi immense credit for tackling the issues faced by our military head on. Nobody in all these decades had the balls to force the changes he is bringing about.





Sry. I got it. However, we are all missing a major point. AK Anthony and ManMohan Singh had their hands tied because of Sonia and Rahul.

We must send this mother son duo along with congress party to mars on the next flight even our government need to pay to Americans for their seat.
 
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give order for

MAZAGON - 3 additional Scorpene

HSL - up gradation of remaining Kilo class

L&T - Nuclear subs

PIPAVAV - Project75i

when all goes together, we can get sufficient boats faster
however MOD likes to have only 2 production lines
 
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