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A Failure of Strategic Vision: U.S. Policy and the Doklam Border Dispute

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On Monday, August 28th, China and India announced a de-escalation of their two month old confrontation along the tri-border area with Bhutan near Doklam. Beijing and New Delhi made this announcement about a week in advance of Prime Minister Modi’s simultaneously-announced intent to visit to China from September 3-5 for the annual BRICS (Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa) Summit.

The peaceful dénouement of this latest dust-up over unresolved Himalayan boundaries between India and China – this time involving Bhutan – appears to have been artfully managed by New Delhi. After 72 days, tensions were diffused as both sides agreed to stand-back from the point of the border dispute. India withdrew its troops and China withdrew its military heavy road construction crew.

The Chinese official version of the settlement omitted mention of its road crew withdrawal while highlighting the Indian troop stand-back. India chose not to challenge the Chinese claim, keeping the terms of the disengagement under wraps. This was a prudent move, for it allowed China’s President Xi Jinping to host the September BRICS Summit free from an ongoing and awkward dispute between host and a guest; and, it allows Xi to enter the upcoming Chinese Communist Party Congress with a claim that he resolved the Doklam dispute without making concessions.

Ten days before the dispute resolution, on August 18th, the Japanese Ambassador to Indiacame out in support of India’s position, responding to reporter questions by stating, “What is important in disputed areas is that all parties involved do not resort to unilateral attempts to change the status quo by force, and resolve the dispute in a peaceful manner.”

Sadly, the United States never did join Japan in giving China a clear rebuke for its unilateral activity in the Doklam dispute. The Trump administration, seemingly pre-occupied with internal strife, an ongoing investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election, and the challenge posed by a bellicose nuclear North Korea, never made an official White House or National Security Council statement about the India-China stand-off. In response to reporter questions in separate events, spokespeople for the U.S. State Department and the U.S. Department of Defense called for a peaceful resolution to the crisis without addressing the obvious issue of Chinese provocation. U.S. Pacific Commander, Admiral Harry Harris, also demurred when asked about the similarities in Chinese coercion in the South China Sea and Doklam, stating, “I think that’s a determination that India is going to have to make itself. I don’t want to speak for India …I believe that their (Chinese) actions in the East China Sea and the South China Sea are aggressive…And they are coercive to their neighbors…”

In these tepid statements, the Trump administration side-stepped the obvious parallels between Chinese coercion in the South China Sea and that witnessed in the Doklam events. In the South China Sea, China used its coast guard and government controlled construction crews to seize, hold and build upon disputed atolls and shoals. China did so in a way that disadvantaged smaller states who were party to the dispute and in a fashion that confused and limited any timely military move by allied states – particularly the U.S. – to contest China’s unilateral change of the status quo. At Doklam, China pushed forward a paramilitary road construction crew in an effort to pave over an unimproved road claimed by both Beijing and by Bhutan, a much smaller state. Informed by decades of border dispute experience with China and acutely sensitive to a move by Beijing in the Himalayas that looked frightfully similar to the pattern of Chinese coercion of smaller states in the eastern Pacific, India moved with alacrity and purpose. New Delhi’s move of its paramilitary and military forces into position to blunt the unilateral Chinese action upped the ante, demonstrating that India viewed Chinese moves in a security context – as a coercive attempt to change the status quo without regard to appropriate diplomatic resolution of territorial ownership.

By taking this first move with security forces in the Doklam dispute, India peacefully secured several important strategic objectives. First, the Chinese road building crew won’t finish its assigned task in 2017. India’s military detachment blocked China from improving this disputed road before arrival of the monsoon rains of September and the subsequent harsh winter in the Himalayas. Second, India exercised resolute and successful support for a longstanding regional ally, Bhutan. China’s road improvement gambit was seen in Bhutan and New Delhi as a grab of disputed land claimed by Bhutan, and a violation of the 2012 agreement that tri-junction boundary points are to be decided only through consultation between all three parties. Third, India displayed an ability to arrest a Chinese effort to unilaterally alter facts on disputed ground by “exercising” jurisdiction on the territory with unchallenged physical activity. In this sense, India thwarted China from achieving what it has been doing successfully in the South China Sea: unilaterally changing the physical facts in a disputed area to enhance its claims over that territory by land building.

In this final strategic achievement – blunting a Chinese effort to unilaterally change the status quo with physical activity prior to consultation or accord with contesting parties – India accomplished something worthy of international acclaim. Where U.S. and international response to China’s island-building in the South China Sea has arguably come too little and too late, the Indian military seized the moment and got security forces in front of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) bulldozer crews on June 16th before the Chinese could build-on and hold disputed territory. The Japanese understood the parallels, thus the Japanese Ambassador to India was unequivocal in calling out the Chinese attempt at coercion.

Washington’s failure to join Japan in a clear-throated rebuke of China’s Doklam activities hurts U.S. credibility with its two most significant security partners in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region: India and Japan. The U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and the Indian Ocean Region, signed by President Obama and Prime Minister Modi in January 2015, commits both parties to avoid the threat or use of force in pursuit of territorial and maritime aims and to resist those who do. This commitment is very similar to Japan’s commitment to India in their December 2015, Japan and India Vision 2025 Special Strategic and Global Partnership. Since the Trump Administration has not announced any alteration or adaptation to the U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision aims, New Delhi and Tokyo had reasonable expectations that the U.S. would voice publicly this shared strategic interest – in support of India and in warning to China.

Washington’s timidity may have been linked to U.S. efforts to keep China on-side with American efforts to arrest North Korean behavior. If so, this is an unconvincing rationale. President Trump has been working with Beijing on the North Korea problem at the same time his Administration investigates Chinese predatory economic practices with an eye toward imposing future sanctions. The administration has been willing to confront China while at the same time collaborating with it.

The Trump administration can still make good on the clear U.S. national interest in calling-out China for unilateral, coercive action in territorial disputes. Now that the September 3-5 BRICS summit is over, and before the 19th Chinese Communist Party Congress anticipated in October, the Trump administration should have a senior official make a public statement commending China and India for their peaceful resolution of the Doklam crisis. That same U.S. policy statement should then refer to the common Washington and New Delhi interest, clearly stated in the January 2015 U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean Region, in seeing that territorial disputes are resolved peacefully and that all parties refrain from coercive, unilateral moves toward occupation of disputed territories. While late to the gate on the Doklam stand-off, such an unambiguous senior U.S. government official statement made in September 2017 will still matter.

Although India has quietly ‘won’ this round against Chinese encroachment on disputed border areas, there will certainly be more. As Indian Army Chief General Bipin Rawat said on August 26th, China is continuously trying to change the status quo on its border with India and incidents like Doklam are only likely to increase in the future. Now is the time for the U.S. to be on record in opposition to any similar future Chinese moves in South Asia as in the South China Sea.

https://stratblog.sites.usa.gov/a-f...ion-u-s-policy-and-the-doklam-border-dispute/

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India never looked for approval from USA or anyone else while pursuing it's objectives during Indira Gandhis time.
Why should any country spoil it's relations with another country for a 3rd non aligned country ?
 
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On Monday, August 28th, China and India announced a de-escalation of their two month old confrontation along the tri-border area with Bhutan near Doklam. Beijing and New Delhi made this announcement about a week in advance of Prime Minister Modi’s simultaneously-announced intent to visit to China from September 3-5 for the annual BRICS (Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa) Summit.

The peaceful dénouement of this latest dust-up over unresolved Himalayan boundaries between India and China – this time involving Bhutan – appears to have been artfully managed by New Delhi. After 72 days, tensions were diffused as both sides agreed to stand-back from the point of the border dispute. India withdrew its troops and China withdrew its military heavy road construction crew.

The Chinese official version of the settlement omitted mention of its road crew withdrawal while highlighting the Indian troop stand-back. India chose not to challenge the Chinese claim, keeping the terms of the disengagement under wraps. This was a prudent move, for it allowed China’s President Xi Jinping to host the September BRICS Summit free from an ongoing and awkward dispute between host and a guest; and, it allows Xi to enter the upcoming Chinese Communist Party Congress with a claim that he resolved the Doklam dispute without making concessions.

Ten days before the dispute resolution, on August 18th, the Japanese Ambassador to Indiacame out in support of India’s position, responding to reporter questions by stating, “What is important in disputed areas is that all parties involved do not resort to unilateral attempts to change the status quo by force, and resolve the dispute in a peaceful manner.”

Sadly, the United States never did join Japan in giving China a clear rebuke for its unilateral activity in the Doklam dispute. The Trump administration, seemingly pre-occupied with internal strife, an ongoing investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election, and the challenge posed by a bellicose nuclear North Korea, never made an official White House or National Security Council statement about the India-China stand-off. In response to reporter questions in separate events, spokespeople for the U.S. State Department and the U.S. Department of Defense called for a peaceful resolution to the crisis without addressing the obvious issue of Chinese provocation. U.S. Pacific Commander, Admiral Harry Harris, also demurred when asked about the similarities in Chinese coercion in the South China Sea and Doklam, stating, “I think that’s a determination that India is going to have to make itself. I don’t want to speak for India …I believe that their (Chinese) actions in the East China Sea and the South China Sea are aggressive…And they are coercive to their neighbors…”

In these tepid statements, the Trump administration side-stepped the obvious parallels between Chinese coercion in the South China Sea and that witnessed in the Doklam events. In the South China Sea, China used its coast guard and government controlled construction crews to seize, hold and build upon disputed atolls and shoals. China did so in a way that disadvantaged smaller states who were party to the dispute and in a fashion that confused and limited any timely military move by allied states – particularly the U.S. – to contest China’s unilateral change of the status quo. At Doklam, China pushed forward a paramilitary road construction crew in an effort to pave over an unimproved road claimed by both Beijing and by Bhutan, a much smaller state. Informed by decades of border dispute experience with China and acutely sensitive to a move by Beijing in the Himalayas that looked frightfully similar to the pattern of Chinese coercion of smaller states in the eastern Pacific, India moved with alacrity and purpose. New Delhi’s move of its paramilitary and military forces into position to blunt the unilateral Chinese action upped the ante, demonstrating that India viewed Chinese moves in a security context – as a coercive attempt to change the status quo without regard to appropriate diplomatic resolution of territorial ownership.

By taking this first move with security forces in the Doklam dispute, India peacefully secured several important strategic objectives. First, the Chinese road building crew won’t finish its assigned task in 2017. India’s military detachment blocked China from improving this disputed road before arrival of the monsoon rains of September and the subsequent harsh winter in the Himalayas. Second, India exercised resolute and successful support for a longstanding regional ally, Bhutan. China’s road improvement gambit was seen in Bhutan and New Delhi as a grab of disputed land claimed by Bhutan, and a violation of the 2012 agreement that tri-junction boundary points are to be decided only through consultation between all three parties. Third, India displayed an ability to arrest a Chinese effort to unilaterally alter facts on disputed ground by “exercising” jurisdiction on the territory with unchallenged physical activity. In this sense, India thwarted China from achieving what it has been doing successfully in the South China Sea: unilaterally changing the physical facts in a disputed area to enhance its claims over that territory by land building.

In this final strategic achievement – blunting a Chinese effort to unilaterally change the status quo with physical activity prior to consultation or accord with contesting parties – India accomplished something worthy of international acclaim. Where U.S. and international response to China’s island-building in the South China Sea has arguably come too little and too late, the Indian military seized the moment and got security forces in front of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) bulldozer crews on June 16th before the Chinese could build-on and hold disputed territory. The Japanese understood the parallels, thus the Japanese Ambassador to India was unequivocal in calling out the Chinese attempt at coercion.

Washington’s failure to join Japan in a clear-throated rebuke of China’s Doklam activities hurts U.S. credibility with its two most significant security partners in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region: India and Japan. The U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and the Indian Ocean Region, signed by President Obama and Prime Minister Modi in January 2015, commits both parties to avoid the threat or use of force in pursuit of territorial and maritime aims and to resist those who do. This commitment is very similar to Japan’s commitment to India in their December 2015, Japan and India Vision 2025 Special Strategic and Global Partnership. Since the Trump Administration has not announced any alteration or adaptation to the U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision aims, New Delhi and Tokyo had reasonable expectations that the U.S. would voice publicly this shared strategic interest – in support of India and in warning to China.

Washington’s timidity may have been linked to U.S. efforts to keep China on-side with American efforts to arrest North Korean behavior. If so, this is an unconvincing rationale. President Trump has been working with Beijing on the North Korea problem at the same time his Administration investigates Chinese predatory economic practices with an eye toward imposing future sanctions. The administration has been willing to confront China while at the same time collaborating with it.

The Trump administration can still make good on the clear U.S. national interest in calling-out China for unilateral, coercive action in territorial disputes. Now that the September 3-5 BRICS summit is over, and before the 19th Chinese Communist Party Congress anticipated in October, the Trump administration should have a senior official make a public statement commending China and India for their peaceful resolution of the Doklam crisis. That same U.S. policy statement should then refer to the common Washington and New Delhi interest, clearly stated in the January 2015 U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean Region, in seeing that territorial disputes are resolved peacefully and that all parties refrain from coercive, unilateral moves toward occupation of disputed territories. While late to the gate on the Doklam stand-off, such an unambiguous senior U.S. government official statement made in September 2017 will still matter.

Although India has quietly ‘won’ this round against Chinese encroachment on disputed border areas, there will certainly be more. As Indian Army Chief General Bipin Rawat said on August 26th, China is continuously trying to change the status quo on its border with India and incidents like Doklam are only likely to increase in the future. Now is the time for the U.S. to be on record in opposition to any similar future Chinese moves in South Asia as in the South China Sea.

https://stratblog.sites.usa.gov/a-f...ion-u-s-policy-and-the-doklam-border-dispute/

@Jackdaws @Tshering22 @beijingwalker @Jlaw @terranMarine @Chinese-Dragon @Han Warrior @Windjammer @Areesh @Joe Shearer @Dungeness @Stephen Cohen @lastone @Laozi @Levina @padamchen @Kinetic @nang2
How does troop stationing and no cessation agreement meant we withdrew? Btw, another unofficial fansite? Can you ask your MEA to speak out more rather than all this speculation. They are suspiciously quiet on Doklam. I wonder why. :rofl:

India never looked for approval from USA or anyone else while pursuing it's objectives during Indira Gandhis time.
Why should any country spoil it's relations with another country for a 3rd non aligned country ?
India needed Soviet protection.

On Monday, August 28th, China and India announced a de-escalation of their two month old confrontation along the tri-border area with Bhutan near Doklam. Beijing and New Delhi made this announcement about a week in advance of Prime Minister Modi’s simultaneously-announced intent to visit to China from September 3-5 for the annual BRICS (Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa) Summit.

The peaceful dénouement of this latest dust-up over unresolved Himalayan boundaries between India and China – this time involving Bhutan – appears to have been artfully managed by New Delhi. After 72 days, tensions were diffused as both sides agreed to stand-back from the point of the border dispute. India withdrew its troops and China withdrew its military heavy road construction crew.

The Chinese official version of the settlement omitted mention of its road crew withdrawal while highlighting the Indian troop stand-back. India chose not to challenge the Chinese claim, keeping the terms of the disengagement under wraps. This was a prudent move, for it allowed China’s President Xi Jinping to host the September BRICS Summit free from an ongoing and awkward dispute between host and a guest; and, it allows Xi to enter the upcoming Chinese Communist Party Congress with a claim that he resolved the Doklam dispute without making concessions.

Ten days before the dispute resolution, on August 18th, the Japanese Ambassador to Indiacame out in support of India’s position, responding to reporter questions by stating, “What is important in disputed areas is that all parties involved do not resort to unilateral attempts to change the status quo by force, and resolve the dispute in a peaceful manner.”

Sadly, the United States never did join Japan in giving China a clear rebuke for its unilateral activity in the Doklam dispute. The Trump administration, seemingly pre-occupied with internal strife, an ongoing investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election, and the challenge posed by a bellicose nuclear North Korea, never made an official White House or National Security Council statement about the India-China stand-off. In response to reporter questions in separate events, spokespeople for the U.S. State Department and the U.S. Department of Defense called for a peaceful resolution to the crisis without addressing the obvious issue of Chinese provocation. U.S. Pacific Commander, Admiral Harry Harris, also demurred when asked about the similarities in Chinese coercion in the South China Sea and Doklam, stating, “I think that’s a determination that India is going to have to make itself. I don’t want to speak for India …I believe that their (Chinese) actions in the East China Sea and the South China Sea are aggressive…And they are coercive to their neighbors…”

In these tepid statements, the Trump administration side-stepped the obvious parallels between Chinese coercion in the South China Sea and that witnessed in the Doklam events. In the South China Sea, China used its coast guard and government controlled construction crews to seize, hold and build upon disputed atolls and shoals. China did so in a way that disadvantaged smaller states who were party to the dispute and in a fashion that confused and limited any timely military move by allied states – particularly the U.S. – to contest China’s unilateral change of the status quo. At Doklam, China pushed forward a paramilitary road construction crew in an effort to pave over an unimproved road claimed by both Beijing and by Bhutan, a much smaller state. Informed by decades of border dispute experience with China and acutely sensitive to a move by Beijing in the Himalayas that looked frightfully similar to the pattern of Chinese coercion of smaller states in the eastern Pacific, India moved with alacrity and purpose. New Delhi’s move of its paramilitary and military forces into position to blunt the unilateral Chinese action upped the ante, demonstrating that India viewed Chinese moves in a security context – as a coercive attempt to change the status quo without regard to appropriate diplomatic resolution of territorial ownership.

By taking this first move with security forces in the Doklam dispute, India peacefully secured several important strategic objectives. First, the Chinese road building crew won’t finish its assigned task in 2017. India’s military detachment blocked China from improving this disputed road before arrival of the monsoon rains of September and the subsequent harsh winter in the Himalayas. Second, India exercised resolute and successful support for a longstanding regional ally, Bhutan. China’s road improvement gambit was seen in Bhutan and New Delhi as a grab of disputed land claimed by Bhutan, and a violation of the 2012 agreement that tri-junction boundary points are to be decided only through consultation between all three parties. Third, India displayed an ability to arrest a Chinese effort to unilaterally alter facts on disputed ground by “exercising” jurisdiction on the territory with unchallenged physical activity. In this sense, India thwarted China from achieving what it has been doing successfully in the South China Sea: unilaterally changing the physical facts in a disputed area to enhance its claims over that territory by land building.

In this final strategic achievement – blunting a Chinese effort to unilaterally change the status quo with physical activity prior to consultation or accord with contesting parties – India accomplished something worthy of international acclaim. Where U.S. and international response to China’s island-building in the South China Sea has arguably come too little and too late, the Indian military seized the moment and got security forces in front of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) bulldozer crews on June 16th before the Chinese could build-on and hold disputed territory. The Japanese understood the parallels, thus the Japanese Ambassador to India was unequivocal in calling out the Chinese attempt at coercion.

Washington’s failure to join Japan in a clear-throated rebuke of China’s Doklam activities hurts U.S. credibility with its two most significant security partners in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region: India and Japan. The U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and the Indian Ocean Region, signed by President Obama and Prime Minister Modi in January 2015, commits both parties to avoid the threat or use of force in pursuit of territorial and maritime aims and to resist those who do. This commitment is very similar to Japan’s commitment to India in their December 2015, Japan and India Vision 2025 Special Strategic and Global Partnership. Since the Trump Administration has not announced any alteration or adaptation to the U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision aims, New Delhi and Tokyo had reasonable expectations that the U.S. would voice publicly this shared strategic interest – in support of India and in warning to China.

Washington’s timidity may have been linked to U.S. efforts to keep China on-side with American efforts to arrest North Korean behavior. If so, this is an unconvincing rationale. President Trump has been working with Beijing on the North Korea problem at the same time his Administration investigates Chinese predatory economic practices with an eye toward imposing future sanctions. The administration has been willing to confront China while at the same time collaborating with it.

The Trump administration can still make good on the clear U.S. national interest in calling-out China for unilateral, coercive action in territorial disputes. Now that the September 3-5 BRICS summit is over, and before the 19th Chinese Communist Party Congress anticipated in October, the Trump administration should have a senior official make a public statement commending China and India for their peaceful resolution of the Doklam crisis. That same U.S. policy statement should then refer to the common Washington and New Delhi interest, clearly stated in the January 2015 U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean Region, in seeing that territorial disputes are resolved peacefully and that all parties refrain from coercive, unilateral moves toward occupation of disputed territories. While late to the gate on the Doklam stand-off, such an unambiguous senior U.S. government official statement made in September 2017 will still matter.

Although India has quietly ‘won’ this round against Chinese encroachment on disputed border areas, there will certainly be more. As Indian Army Chief General Bipin Rawat said on August 26th, China is continuously trying to change the status quo on its border with India and incidents like Doklam are only likely to increase in the future. Now is the time for the U.S. to be on record in opposition to any similar future Chinese moves in South Asia as in the South China Sea.

https://stratblog.sites.usa.gov/a-f...ion-u-s-policy-and-the-doklam-border-dispute/

@Jackdaws @Tshering22 @beijingwalker @Jlaw @terranMarine @Chinese-Dragon @Han Warrior @Windjammer @Areesh @Joe Shearer @Dungeness @Stephen Cohen @lastone @Laozi @Levina @padamchen @Kinetic @nang2
Read this from Indian ex-MEA officer.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/n...arn-the-right-lesson-from-china-standoff.html

Why the India-China standoff near the Sikkim border happened at all and how it ended on August 28 after seventy one long and anxious days will never be fully known.

The Indian government maintains cryptically that «following diplomatic communications, expeditious disengagement of border personnel of India and China at the face-off site at Doklam» took place.

It falls far short of claiming any mutual agreement or understanding – or of any mutual withdrawal as such. And it says nothing about China stopping the road-building activity, either, which had apparently led to the standoff in the first instance.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry has been far more forthcoming. It put on record that:

  • As a result of diplomatic representations and «effective countermeasures» at the military level, the Indian side «withdrew» all its personnel and equipment.
  • The Chinese personnel «onsite have verified» the fact of Indian withdrawal.
  • The Chinese troops «continue with their patrolling and stationing» in Doklam area.
  • China will «adjust and deploy its military resources» in the area to meet the needs of guarding the border.
  • China has long been undertaking road-building in the area and will in future «make proper building plans in light of the actual situation», taking into account weather conditions.
New Delhi has not disagreed with these Chinese contentions. Instead, what we have is a series of unattributed, calibrated, self-serving media leaks intended to portray the Indian officials as strong-willed men who stared down the Chinese.

This is rather tragi-comic, given the geopolitical reality that the standoff is a watershed event in India-China relations and regional politics. The Chinese Defence Ministry thought it necessary to warn Delhi to learn the «lesson» from the standoff.

The picture that emerges from the stated position by the two foreign ministries is that the Indian side is loathe to admit its unilateral withdrawal from Doklam and the Chinese side is disinterested in displaying triumphalism.

Clearly, with the brief summer season shortly ending in the tangled mountains in Doklam region at 11000 feet altitude, India managed to stall road-building activity by the Chinese side during this calendar year.

China on the other hand claims that the peaceful handling of the incident «demonstrates China's sincerity and attitude in preserving regional peace and stability as a responsible major country. The Chinese government values its good-neighbourly and friendly relations with India».

For both countries, it is a gain that the BRICS summit in Xiamen has had a full quorum of attendance. The BRICS is a valuable platform to advance multipolarity in the international system.

What prompted India to unilaterally withdraw troops? To quote a China expert in Delhi, «In the face of mounting Chinese psychological pressure on asymmetries, combined with coercive diplomacy and deployment of lethal equipment, the Indian announcement of ‘disengagement’ at Doklam comes as no surprise».

Indeed, there were reports backed by video and photographic evidence of China moving trainloads of advanced HQ-16 and HQ-17 missiles and other military equipment to Tibet. China was reinforcing its layered air defence systems to counter Indian air power, hinting at serious preparations for a military offensive.

Conceivably, if a conflict were to take place, that would have been most likely in September after the BRICS summit but well before the 19th National Congress of China’s Communist Party which is set for October 18.

However, two other factors also must be noted. One, the Indian economy’s growth has slowed down to around 5.7% (April-June), the slowest rate in the three years of Modi government. A war with China would cripple the economy.

Second, no country voiced support for India, leave alone criticise China, on the Doklam affair. The unkindest cut of all was that the Trump administration looked away. Washington and Tokyo are hardly in a position to take an adversarial stance vis-à-vis China over Doklam when North Korea is in their crosshairs.

Some Indian analysts boast India has become a role model for Southeast Asian nations which have territorial disputes with China in the South China Sea. But that is a stretch. On the contrary, China has displayed that on issues of territorial sovereignty, there is no compromise possible.

India can expect Chinese diplomacy in the South Asian region to display for the first time an animus against India. Countries such as Nepal, Sri Lanka or the Maldives will increasingly play off China against India.

The challenge becomes acute in regard of India’s future relations with Bhutan, the friend on whose behalf India stuck out its neck, but which kept a Delphian silence. In a press release on August 29, Bhutanese government simply said:

«Bhutan welcomes the disengagement by the two sides at the face-off site in the Doklam area. We hope this contributes to the maintenance of peace and tranquility and status quo along the borders of Bhutan, China and India in keeping with the existing agreements between the respective countries».

The statement is wide open to interpretation. There was no reference in it to road building activity by the Chinese. Indeed, there is a real possibility of the Chinese resuming road building activities in the border region in Doklam next year.

Prof. Taylor Fravel at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who is regarded as an authority on China’s borders, wrote last week,

«Before the standoff in June, China’s permanent presence in the area had been quite limited. China had maintained a road in the area for several decades, but did not garrison any forces. In contrast, India has maintained and developed a forward post at Doka La adjacent to Doklam… China may well seek to rectify this tactical imbalance of forces. In fact, the Chinese spokesperson suggested a move in this direction by saying China would continue to station forces (zhushou), most likely a reference to troops deployed to Doklam after the standoff began. If China does this, it would likely build facilities farther away from India’s position at Doka La, making it more challenging for India to intervene and block China next time. When India challenged China’s construction crews in June, it only had to move its forces a hundred meters from the existing border. In the future, India may be faced with the uncomfortable choice of deciding whether to risk much more to deny China a greater presence farther inside Doklam or to accept it. This will be a tough decision for any leader to make».

The real lesson, therefore, that India should learn from the Doklam standoff is that it shouldn’t draw any wrong conclusion. India’s focus should be on deploying diplomacy to reduce or eliminate the scope for military confrontation.

In retrospect, if only Modi government’s accent was on effective diplomacy in the crucial 3 weeks since the Chinese notified Delhi in late May of their intention to commence the road-building work at Doklam, the standoff might even have been avoided. For some strange reason, instead of activating the diplomatic levers, India resorted to military intervention.

However, the dismal picture through the past week is that the very same hollow men who probably took the fateful decision on Doklam by ordering the Indian Army to cross the international border are now falling back on their media management skills to mislead the domestic opinion into believing that India «won» in Doklam, and China «lost».

The danger here is that the «core constituency» of the Modi government would continue to harbour the foolish notion that, taking the sports analogy further, India should now proceed to claim the trophy by putting China on the mat conclusively and forever.
 
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Thanks for tagging, but no more debates for me on "who won Doklam standoff". It is a false proposition as there is no any objective standard to gauge the victory. You are welcome to claim whatever.

Time will tell.
 
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How does troop stationing and no cessation agreement meant we withdrew? Btw, another unofficial fansite? Can you ask your MEA to speak out more rather than all this speculation. They are suspiciously quiet on Doklam. I wonder why. :rofl:


India needed Soviet protection.


Read this from Indian ex-MEA officer.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/n...arn-the-right-lesson-from-china-standoff.html

Why the India-China standoff near the Sikkim border happened at all and how it ended on August 28 after seventy one long and anxious days will never be fully known.

The Indian government maintains cryptically that «following diplomatic communications, expeditious disengagement of border personnel of India and China at the face-off site at Doklam» took place.

It falls far short of claiming any mutual agreement or understanding – or of any mutual withdrawal as such. And it says nothing about China stopping the road-building activity, either, which had apparently led to the standoff in the first instance.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry has been far more forthcoming. It put on record that:

  • As a result of diplomatic representations and «effective countermeasures» at the military level, the Indian side «withdrew» all its personnel and equipment.
  • The Chinese personnel «onsite have verified» the fact of Indian withdrawal.
  • The Chinese troops «continue with their patrolling and stationing» in Doklam area.
  • China will «adjust and deploy its military resources» in the area to meet the needs of guarding the border.
  • China has long been undertaking road-building in the area and will in future «make proper building plans in light of the actual situation», taking into account weather conditions.
New Delhi has not disagreed with these Chinese contentions. Instead, what we have is a series of unattributed, calibrated, self-serving media leaks intended to portray the Indian officials as strong-willed men who stared down the Chinese.

This is rather tragi-comic, given the geopolitical reality that the standoff is a watershed event in India-China relations and regional politics. The Chinese Defence Ministry thought it necessary to warn Delhi to learn the «lesson» from the standoff.

The picture that emerges from the stated position by the two foreign ministries is that the Indian side is loathe to admit its unilateral withdrawal from Doklam and the Chinese side is disinterested in displaying triumphalism.

Clearly, with the brief summer season shortly ending in the tangled mountains in Doklam region at 11000 feet altitude, India managed to stall road-building activity by the Chinese side during this calendar year.

China on the other hand claims that the peaceful handling of the incident «demonstrates China's sincerity and attitude in preserving regional peace and stability as a responsible major country. The Chinese government values its good-neighbourly and friendly relations with India».

For both countries, it is a gain that the BRICS summit in Xiamen has had a full quorum of attendance. The BRICS is a valuable platform to advance multipolarity in the international system.

What prompted India to unilaterally withdraw troops? To quote a China expert in Delhi, «In the face of mounting Chinese psychological pressure on asymmetries, combined with coercive diplomacy and deployment of lethal equipment, the Indian announcement of ‘disengagement’ at Doklam comes as no surprise».

Indeed, there were reports backed by video and photographic evidence of China moving trainloads of advanced HQ-16 and HQ-17 missiles and other military equipment to Tibet. China was reinforcing its layered air defence systems to counter Indian air power, hinting at serious preparations for a military offensive.

Conceivably, if a conflict were to take place, that would have been most likely in September after the BRICS summit but well before the 19th National Congress of China’s Communist Party which is set for October 18.

However, two other factors also must be noted. One, the Indian economy’s growth has slowed down to around 5.7% (April-June), the slowest rate in the three years of Modi government. A war with China would cripple the economy.

Second, no country voiced support for India, leave alone criticise China, on the Doklam affair. The unkindest cut of all was that the Trump administration looked away. Washington and Tokyo are hardly in a position to take an adversarial stance vis-à-vis China over Doklam when North Korea is in their crosshairs.

Some Indian analysts boast India has become a role model for Southeast Asian nations which have territorial disputes with China in the South China Sea. But that is a stretch. On the contrary, China has displayed that on issues of territorial sovereignty, there is no compromise possible.

India can expect Chinese diplomacy in the South Asian region to display for the first time an animus against India. Countries such as Nepal, Sri Lanka or the Maldives will increasingly play off China against India.

The challenge becomes acute in regard of India’s future relations with Bhutan, the friend on whose behalf India stuck out its neck, but which kept a Delphian silence. In a press release on August 29, Bhutanese government simply said:

«Bhutan welcomes the disengagement by the two sides at the face-off site in the Doklam area. We hope this contributes to the maintenance of peace and tranquility and status quo along the borders of Bhutan, China and India in keeping with the existing agreements between the respective countries».

The statement is wide open to interpretation. There was no reference in it to road building activity by the Chinese. Indeed, there is a real possibility of the Chinese resuming road building activities in the border region in Doklam next year.

Prof. Taylor Fravel at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who is regarded as an authority on China’s borders, wrote last week,

«Before the standoff in June, China’s permanent presence in the area had been quite limited. China had maintained a road in the area for several decades, but did not garrison any forces. In contrast, India has maintained and developed a forward post at Doka La adjacent to Doklam… China may well seek to rectify this tactical imbalance of forces. In fact, the Chinese spokesperson suggested a move in this direction by saying China would continue to station forces (zhushou), most likely a reference to troops deployed to Doklam after the standoff began. If China does this, it would likely build facilities farther away from India’s position at Doka La, making it more challenging for India to intervene and block China next time. When India challenged China’s construction crews in June, it only had to move its forces a hundred meters from the existing border. In the future, India may be faced with the uncomfortable choice of deciding whether to risk much more to deny China a greater presence farther inside Doklam or to accept it. This will be a tough decision for any leader to make».

The real lesson, therefore, that India should learn from the Doklam standoff is that it shouldn’t draw any wrong conclusion. India’s focus should be on deploying diplomacy to reduce or eliminate the scope for military confrontation.

In retrospect, if only Modi government’s accent was on effective diplomacy in the crucial 3 weeks since the Chinese notified Delhi in late May of their intention to commence the road-building work at Doklam, the standoff might even have been avoided. For some strange reason, instead of activating the diplomatic levers, India resorted to military intervention.

However, the dismal picture through the past week is that the very same hollow men who probably took the fateful decision on Doklam by ordering the Indian Army to cross the international border are now falling back on their media management skills to mislead the domestic opinion into believing that India «won» in Doklam, and China «lost».

The danger here is that the «core constituency» of the Modi government would continue to harbour the foolish notion that, taking the sports analogy further, India should now proceed to claim the trophy by putting China on the mat conclusively and forever.

No Road.
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There is already a road covering the whole 'Doklam Plateau' genius! So you exchange a temporary road postponement from Doka La to Gyomochi with permanent Chinese troops in Doklam? What a genius move. Previously we still had to exchange territories with Bhutan, now we are there without even a single exchange.
 
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The US is pretty much rudderless at the moment. Obama was a good guy, but his foreign policy was a hit and a miss. Trump is a clown - he is pro-India but that does not take away from the fact that he is as daft and unpredictable as the North Korean fat boy dictator. China, for all its faults, is led by some sensible leadership but it is a communist land at the end of the day. India is led by a bellicose govt which is the most right wing govt in Indian history. I don't know where it will lead - but I don't recollect a single instance in world history where no one country at least is a world leader and looking to set a path for the rest.
 
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On Monday, August 28th, China and India announced a de-escalation of their two month old confrontation along the tri-border area with Bhutan near Doklam. Beijing and New Delhi made this announcement about a week in advance of Prime Minister Modi’s simultaneously-announced intent to visit to China from September 3-5 for the annual BRICS (Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa) Summit.

The peaceful dénouement of this latest dust-up over unresolved Himalayan boundaries between India and China – this time involving Bhutan – appears to have been artfully managed by New Delhi. After 72 days, tensions were diffused as both sides agreed to stand-back from the point of the border dispute. India withdrew its troops and China withdrew its military heavy road construction crew.

The Chinese official version of the settlement omitted mention of its road crew withdrawal while highlighting the Indian troop stand-back. India chose not to challenge the Chinese claim, keeping the terms of the disengagement under wraps. This was a prudent move, for it allowed China’s President Xi Jinping to host the September BRICS Summit free from an ongoing and awkward dispute between host and a guest; and, it allows Xi to enter the upcoming Chinese Communist Party Congress with a claim that he resolved the Doklam dispute without making concessions.

Ten days before the dispute resolution, on August 18th, the Japanese Ambassador to Indiacame out in support of India’s position, responding to reporter questions by stating, “What is important in disputed areas is that all parties involved do not resort to unilateral attempts to change the status quo by force, and resolve the dispute in a peaceful manner.”

Sadly, the United States never did join Japan in giving China a clear rebuke for its unilateral activity in the Doklam dispute. The Trump administration, seemingly pre-occupied with internal strife, an ongoing investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election, and the challenge posed by a bellicose nuclear North Korea, never made an official White House or National Security Council statement about the India-China stand-off. In response to reporter questions in separate events, spokespeople for the U.S. State Department and the U.S. Department of Defense called for a peaceful resolution to the crisis without addressing the obvious issue of Chinese provocation. U.S. Pacific Commander, Admiral Harry Harris, also demurred when asked about the similarities in Chinese coercion in the South China Sea and Doklam, stating, “I think that’s a determination that India is going to have to make itself. I don’t want to speak for India …I believe that their (Chinese) actions in the East China Sea and the South China Sea are aggressive…And they are coercive to their neighbors…”

In these tepid statements, the Trump administration side-stepped the obvious parallels between Chinese coercion in the South China Sea and that witnessed in the Doklam events. In the South China Sea, China used its coast guard and government controlled construction crews to seize, hold and build upon disputed atolls and shoals. China did so in a way that disadvantaged smaller states who were party to the dispute and in a fashion that confused and limited any timely military move by allied states – particularly the U.S. – to contest China’s unilateral change of the status quo. At Doklam, China pushed forward a paramilitary road construction crew in an effort to pave over an unimproved road claimed by both Beijing and by Bhutan, a much smaller state. Informed by decades of border dispute experience with China and acutely sensitive to a move by Beijing in the Himalayas that looked frightfully similar to the pattern of Chinese coercion of smaller states in the eastern Pacific, India moved with alacrity and purpose. New Delhi’s move of its paramilitary and military forces into position to blunt the unilateral Chinese action upped the ante, demonstrating that India viewed Chinese moves in a security context – as a coercive attempt to change the status quo without regard to appropriate diplomatic resolution of territorial ownership.

By taking this first move with security forces in the Doklam dispute, India peacefully secured several important strategic objectives. First, the Chinese road building crew won’t finish its assigned task in 2017. India’s military detachment blocked China from improving this disputed road before arrival of the monsoon rains of September and the subsequent harsh winter in the Himalayas. Second, India exercised resolute and successful support for a longstanding regional ally, Bhutan. China’s road improvement gambit was seen in Bhutan and New Delhi as a grab of disputed land claimed by Bhutan, and a violation of the 2012 agreement that tri-junction boundary points are to be decided only through consultation between all three parties. Third, India displayed an ability to arrest a Chinese effort to unilaterally alter facts on disputed ground by “exercising” jurisdiction on the territory with unchallenged physical activity. In this sense, India thwarted China from achieving what it has been doing successfully in the South China Sea: unilaterally changing the physical facts in a disputed area to enhance its claims over that territory by land building.

In this final strategic achievement – blunting a Chinese effort to unilaterally change the status quo with physical activity prior to consultation or accord with contesting parties – India accomplished something worthy of international acclaim. Where U.S. and international response to China’s island-building in the South China Sea has arguably come too little and too late, the Indian military seized the moment and got security forces in front of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) bulldozer crews on June 16th before the Chinese could build-on and hold disputed territory. The Japanese understood the parallels, thus the Japanese Ambassador to India was unequivocal in calling out the Chinese attempt at coercion.

Washington’s failure to join Japan in a clear-throated rebuke of China’s Doklam activities hurts U.S. credibility with its two most significant security partners in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region: India and Japan. The U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and the Indian Ocean Region, signed by President Obama and Prime Minister Modi in January 2015, commits both parties to avoid the threat or use of force in pursuit of territorial and maritime aims and to resist those who do. This commitment is very similar to Japan’s commitment to India in their December 2015, Japan and India Vision 2025 Special Strategic and Global Partnership. Since the Trump Administration has not announced any alteration or adaptation to the U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision aims, New Delhi and Tokyo had reasonable expectations that the U.S. would voice publicly this shared strategic interest – in support of India and in warning to China.

Washington’s timidity may have been linked to U.S. efforts to keep China on-side with American efforts to arrest North Korean behavior. If so, this is an unconvincing rationale. President Trump has been working with Beijing on the North Korea problem at the same time his Administration investigates Chinese predatory economic practices with an eye toward imposing future sanctions. The administration has been willing to confront China while at the same time collaborating with it.

The Trump administration can still make good on the clear U.S. national interest in calling-out China for unilateral, coercive action in territorial disputes. Now that the September 3-5 BRICS summit is over, and before the 19th Chinese Communist Party Congress anticipated in October, the Trump administration should have a senior official make a public statement commending China and India for their peaceful resolution of the Doklam crisis. That same U.S. policy statement should then refer to the common Washington and New Delhi interest, clearly stated in the January 2015 U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean Region, in seeing that territorial disputes are resolved peacefully and that all parties refrain from coercive, unilateral moves toward occupation of disputed territories. While late to the gate on the Doklam stand-off, such an unambiguous senior U.S. government official statement made in September 2017 will still matter.

Although India has quietly ‘won’ this round against Chinese encroachment on disputed border areas, there will certainly be more. As Indian Army Chief General Bipin Rawat said on August 26th, China is continuously trying to change the status quo on its border with India and incidents like Doklam are only likely to increase in the future. Now is the time for the U.S. to be on record in opposition to any similar future Chinese moves in South Asia as in the South China Sea.

https://stratblog.sites.usa.gov/a-f...ion-u-s-policy-and-the-doklam-border-dispute/

@Jackdaws @Tshering22 @beijingwalker @Jlaw @terranMarine @Chinese-Dragon @Han Warrior @Windjammer @Areesh @Joe Shearer @Dungeness @Stephen Cohen @lastone @Laozi @Levina @padamchen @Kinetic @nang2

I'm afraid the author does not know the US or the Americans.

Cheers, Doc
 
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On Monday, August 28th, China and India announced a de-escalation of their two month old confrontation along the tri-border area with Bhutan near Doklam. Beijing and New Delhi made this announcement about a week in advance of Prime Minister Modi’s simultaneously-announced intent to visit to China from September 3-5 for the annual BRICS (Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa) Summit.

The peaceful dénouement of this latest dust-up over unresolved Himalayan boundaries between India and China – this time involving Bhutan – appears to have been artfully managed by New Delhi. After 72 days, tensions were diffused as both sides agreed to stand-back from the point of the border dispute. India withdrew its troops and China withdrew its military heavy road construction crew.

The Chinese official version of the settlement omitted mention of its road crew withdrawal while highlighting the Indian troop stand-back. India chose not to challenge the Chinese claim, keeping the terms of the disengagement under wraps. This was a prudent move, for it allowed China’s President Xi Jinping to host the September BRICS Summit free from an ongoing and awkward dispute between host and a guest; and, it allows Xi to enter the upcoming Chinese Communist Party Congress with a claim that he resolved the Doklam dispute without making concessions.

Ten days before the dispute resolution, on August 18th, the Japanese Ambassador to Indiacame out in support of India’s position, responding to reporter questions by stating, “What is important in disputed areas is that all parties involved do not resort to unilateral attempts to change the status quo by force, and resolve the dispute in a peaceful manner.”

Sadly, the United States never did join Japan in giving China a clear rebuke for its unilateral activity in the Doklam dispute. The Trump administration, seemingly pre-occupied with internal strife, an ongoing investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election, and the challenge posed by a bellicose nuclear North Korea, never made an official White House or National Security Council statement about the India-China stand-off. In response to reporter questions in separate events, spokespeople for the U.S. State Department and the U.S. Department of Defense called for a peaceful resolution to the crisis without addressing the obvious issue of Chinese provocation. U.S. Pacific Commander, Admiral Harry Harris, also demurred when asked about the similarities in Chinese coercion in the South China Sea and Doklam, stating, “I think that’s a determination that India is going to have to make itself. I don’t want to speak for India …I believe that their (Chinese) actions in the East China Sea and the South China Sea are aggressive…And they are coercive to their neighbors…”

In these tepid statements, the Trump administration side-stepped the obvious parallels between Chinese coercion in the South China Sea and that witnessed in the Doklam events. In the South China Sea, China used its coast guard and government controlled construction crews to seize, hold and build upon disputed atolls and shoals. China did so in a way that disadvantaged smaller states who were party to the dispute and in a fashion that confused and limited any timely military move by allied states – particularly the U.S. – to contest China’s unilateral change of the status quo. At Doklam, China pushed forward a paramilitary road construction crew in an effort to pave over an unimproved road claimed by both Beijing and by Bhutan, a much smaller state. Informed by decades of border dispute experience with China and acutely sensitive to a move by Beijing in the Himalayas that looked frightfully similar to the pattern of Chinese coercion of smaller states in the eastern Pacific, India moved with alacrity and purpose. New Delhi’s move of its paramilitary and military forces into position to blunt the unilateral Chinese action upped the ante, demonstrating that India viewed Chinese moves in a security context – as a coercive attempt to change the status quo without regard to appropriate diplomatic resolution of territorial ownership.

By taking this first move with security forces in the Doklam dispute, India peacefully secured several important strategic objectives. First, the Chinese road building crew won’t finish its assigned task in 2017. India’s military detachment blocked China from improving this disputed road before arrival of the monsoon rains of September and the subsequent harsh winter in the Himalayas. Second, India exercised resolute and successful support for a longstanding regional ally, Bhutan. China’s road improvement gambit was seen in Bhutan and New Delhi as a grab of disputed land claimed by Bhutan, and a violation of the 2012 agreement that tri-junction boundary points are to be decided only through consultation between all three parties. Third, India displayed an ability to arrest a Chinese effort to unilaterally alter facts on disputed ground by “exercising” jurisdiction on the territory with unchallenged physical activity. In this sense, India thwarted China from achieving what it has been doing successfully in the South China Sea: unilaterally changing the physical facts in a disputed area to enhance its claims over that territory by land building.

In this final strategic achievement – blunting a Chinese effort to unilaterally change the status quo with physical activity prior to consultation or accord with contesting parties – India accomplished something worthy of international acclaim. Where U.S. and international response to China’s island-building in the South China Sea has arguably come too little and too late, the Indian military seized the moment and got security forces in front of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) bulldozer crews on June 16th before the Chinese could build-on and hold disputed territory. The Japanese understood the parallels, thus the Japanese Ambassador to India was unequivocal in calling out the Chinese attempt at coercion.

Washington’s failure to join Japan in a clear-throated rebuke of China’s Doklam activities hurts U.S. credibility with its two most significant security partners in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region: India and Japan. The U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and the Indian Ocean Region, signed by President Obama and Prime Minister Modi in January 2015, commits both parties to avoid the threat or use of force in pursuit of territorial and maritime aims and to resist those who do. This commitment is very similar to Japan’s commitment to India in their December 2015, Japan and India Vision 2025 Special Strategic and Global Partnership. Since the Trump Administration has not announced any alteration or adaptation to the U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision aims, New Delhi and Tokyo had reasonable expectations that the U.S. would voice publicly this shared strategic interest – in support of India and in warning to China.

Washington’s timidity may have been linked to U.S. efforts to keep China on-side with American efforts to arrest North Korean behavior. If so, this is an unconvincing rationale. President Trump has been working with Beijing on the North Korea problem at the same time his Administration investigates Chinese predatory economic practices with an eye toward imposing future sanctions. The administration has been willing to confront China while at the same time collaborating with it.

The Trump administration can still make good on the clear U.S. national interest in calling-out China for unilateral, coercive action in territorial disputes. Now that the September 3-5 BRICS summit is over, and before the 19th Chinese Communist Party Congress anticipated in October, the Trump administration should have a senior official make a public statement commending China and India for their peaceful resolution of the Doklam crisis. That same U.S. policy statement should then refer to the common Washington and New Delhi interest, clearly stated in the January 2015 U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean Region, in seeing that territorial disputes are resolved peacefully and that all parties refrain from coercive, unilateral moves toward occupation of disputed territories. While late to the gate on the Doklam stand-off, such an unambiguous senior U.S. government official statement made in September 2017 will still matter.

Although India has quietly ‘won’ this round against Chinese encroachment on disputed border areas, there will certainly be more. As Indian Army Chief General Bipin Rawat said on August 26th, China is continuously trying to change the status quo on its border with India and incidents like Doklam are only likely to increase in the future. Now is the time for the U.S. to be on record in opposition to any similar future Chinese moves in South Asia as in the South China Sea.

https://stratblog.sites.usa.gov/a-f...ion-u-s-policy-and-the-doklam-border-dispute/

@Jackdaws @Tshering22 @beijingwalker @Jlaw @terranMarine @Chinese-Dragon @Han Warrior @Windjammer @Areesh @Joe Shearer @Dungeness @Stephen Cohen @lastone @Laozi @Levina @padamchen @Kinetic @nang2

What an avalanche of BS.

1. What japan said was peaceful resolution. We Indian/blog owner reading too much into few lines. looks like he/she is having nothing worth to do.

2. US helped the most in this whole saga even though India didn't asked for their help.
When US embassy in Beijing was separately called by Beijing foreign office on that very same day start questioning Sino moves. Later, during Annual Sino-US economic talk Doklam was raised by the US.

Whatever happened at Doklam is now behind us. Both Indian & Chinese leaders talked this out and there is nothing much to flog. So please move on
 
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India needed Soviet protection.
I am not talking about the 1971 treaty between India and Russia , but since independence India pursued a hands off policy wrt USA and Russia, till 1971 when Nixon lost the plot.
Americans were so pissed off with India that during one of India's major famines in the 60s, they stopped food aid to us ,inspite of the American ambassador s requests.
India said no to seato and Pakistan became a American lynchpin in the subcontinent.
My only point is maintain good relations with all but to defend your viewpoint , don't expect external help.
 
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I am not talking about the 1971 treaty between India and Russia , but since independence India pursued a hands off policy wrt USA and Russia, till 1971 when Nixon lost the plot.
Americans were so pissed off with India that during one of India's major famines in the 60s, they stopped food aid to us ,inspite of the American ambassador s requests.
India said no to seato and Pakistan became a American lynchpin in the subcontinent.
My only point is maintain good relations with all but to defend your viewpoint , don't expect external help.
The problem is you were seeking US blessing recently and they rejected you. Why did you think you withdrew? :rofl:
 
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The problem is you were seeking US blessing recently and they rejected you. Why did you think you withdrew? :rofl:
Frankly I think the BRICS summit was the reason for both sides withdrawing.
But I also think that it would be stupid for India to trust the chinese not to initiate trouble in a area where they dominate.
 
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Frankly I think the BRICS summit was the reason for both sides withdrawing.
But I also think that it would be stupid for India to trust the chinese not to initiate trouble in a area where they dominate.
You need to define the word withdraw, where are the Indians now? In Doka La within Indian borders, where are the Chinese, in Doklam, within Chinese borders.

No Chinese troops were ever present permanently in Doklam before this due to it being a disputed area. Now we are there. :partay:
 
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