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8 Chinese submarines approval & used western subs talks

What in the name of Allah and Allah's heaven happening ?

8 subs , 4 frigs , cutters, z10, mi 35, SH1, Shaheen 3, 150 sells of ak to SA is true story and My Job Interview Went really well Oh my Today is like Eid Baby ! :D
 
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France has rejected to give its technology to Pakistan.. Now German technology is better than France's.

What in the name of Allah and Allah's heaven happening ?

8 subs , 4 frigs , cutters, z10, mi 35, SH1, Shaheen 3 and My Job Interview Went really well Oh my Today is like Eid Baby ! :D

Good Luck with your job interview.
 
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Half of those subs are not operational .. Others are antiques .. 1 or 2 were blown to shit.
Out of those 16, 10 are operational and India is making scorpions too, project 75i and Arihant, new class SSbN's and SSN's

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What does Pakistan have now ?? 8 submarines out of which 3 are midget and all under 2100 tons and 10 frigates to the most. Sometimes its good to appreciate what your neighbor has done better than you. Indian navy builds most its ships in its own docks.
 
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Govt endorses summary to get 8 submarines from China, defence committee told

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This photo shows a Chinese navy submarine. — AP/File


ISLAMABAD: Naval officials informed the Standing Committee on Defence Monday that the federal government has endorsed a summary to get eight submarines from China.

Pakistan's military has long been a major importer of defence equipment, particularly from key ally China.

After the Cold War ended Pakistan began to deepen defence and economic ties with China.

Take a look: With new JF-17, Pakistan aims for boost to defence exports

The committee was informed that Secretary of the Economic Affairs division Muhammad Saleem Sethi would be leaving for China tomorrow where the issue is expected to come under discussion.

The officials also said that the national security committee will give the final nod to go ahead with the plan to get eight submarines from China.

"Other proposals are under consideration as well. The Pakistan navy is also in touch with Germany, Britain and France to purchase used submarines," officials informed the committee.

Keeping in view the level of threat and the present status of submarines, naval officials said Pakistan needed the latest submarines.

The naval officials also revealed that France had refused to provide submarines to Pakistan.

They said there seemed to be various reasons behind France's refusal to sell submarines to Pakistan — including an issue of technology transfer. On the other hand, they said France was selling its submarines to India.

The naval officials rejected some committee members' concerns that Chinese technology was not of satisfactory quality.They said there was no such issue at hand as JF-17 has proven to be a world class military jet.

The officials informed the standing committee that Pakistan's defence relations with Russia were also improving.

On the other hand, there appeared to be a divide among committee members whether Pakistan should send troops to Saudi Arabia.

Defence Secretary Lieutenant General (retd) Alam Khattak said that the Pakistan Army would abide by the government's decision on whether to send troops to Saudi Arabia to partake in a military campaign in Yemen.

This was the first time that the defence secretary spelled out the official stance of the Pakistan Army on sending troops to Saudi Arabia to partake in a military campaign in Yemen.

His brief comment came in response to a volley of questions by committee members as to whether military troops would be sent to the Saudi kingdom.

Chairman Sheikh Rohail Asghar maintained that the Pakistan Army should chase terrorists regardless of their location but women members belonging to the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and Awami National Party (ANP) had a different point of view.
 
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Not to happy with this development. Its a waste of limited resources. Pakistan Navy should have focused on replacing the old Agosta-70s so as to maintain a 6 vessel strength. 3 Agosta-90Bs and 3 new subs. The rest of the money should have been poured into design and development of a nuclear submarine in partnership with China (incorporating Western technology where Chinese technology either lags behind or doesn't add up to PN's operational requirements). This would have guaranteed results in the next 5-7yrs and we would most likely have a nuclear submarine in the waters in another 3yrs. That's roughly 10years from the time the decision is taken. Not bad at all. The 6 regular submarines would continue to fulfill their role in the meantime.

Pakistan Navy's goal should be 7 SSKs and 3 SSBNs. That is ALL they should need in terms of submarines. As of now, 3 Agosta-90Bs and 8 SSKs from China gives us 11 which would be an overkill unless the PN has considered retiring Agosta-90Bs as well along with the Agosta-70s and just maintain a fleet of 8 new SSKs after they have all been commissioned.

Either way, Pakistan desperately needs to be working on a SSBN right about now (and of course surface destroyers).
 
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looks like some what of the military hardware that was discussed in the 2015 military procurement is starting to come true
 
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Out of those 16, 10 are operational and India is making scorpions too, project 75i and Arihant, new class SSbN's and SSN's

SUBS_zpssljtgmd1.jpg


What does Pakistan have now ?? 8 submarines out of which 3 are midget and all under 2100 tons and 10 frigates to the most. Sometimes its good to appreciate what your neighbor has done better than you. Indian navy builds most its ships in its own docks.
That's why Pakistan is getting 8 subs plus 4 frigates. They will provide the required detterence and will be enough to fulfil our needs.
And for your kind information Pakistan produced 2 90B subs in it's own dockyard along with some f-22p's and other boats.
 
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That's why Pakistan is getting 8 subs plus 4 frigates. They will provide the required detterence and will be enough to fulfil our needs.
And for your kind information Pakistan produced 2 90B subs in it's own dockyard along with some f-22p's and other boats.
Let the info come with real sources then we will know, 8 subs and 4 frigates isn't an easy buy
 
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从一个中国人的视觉来看,曾经比较过巴基斯坦和印度的海军力量,客观的说,巴基斯坦的海军比印度还有很大差距,只能追究不对称的平衡,比如说加强潜艇和反潜力量,加强空对海、地对海的打击能力,这样才能应对印度多得多得海军力量威胁。作为中国的忠实朋友,中国永远愿意做巴基斯坦的后盾!
 
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i think there will be 3 nuke sub marine in this deal remaining five for attack and replacement for Olf Augustas and from western it does nt add up .May be opening door for negotiation
 
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Not to happy with this development. Its a waste of limited resources. Pakistan Navy should have focused on replacing the old Agosta-70s so as to maintain a 6 vessel strength. 3 Agosta-90Bs and 3 new subs. The rest of the money should have been poured into design and development of a nuclear submarine in partnership with China (incorporating Western technology where Chinese technology either lags behind or doesn't add up to PN's operational requirements). This would have guaranteed results in the next 5-7yrs and we would most likely have a nuclear submarine in the waters in another 3yrs. That's roughly 10years from the time the decision is taken. Not bad at all. The 6 regular submarines would continue to fulfill their role in the meantime.

Pakistan Navy's goal should be 7 SSKs and 3 SSBNs. That is ALL they should need in terms of submarines. As of now, 3 Agosta-90Bs and 8 SSKs from China gives us 11 which would be an overkill unless the PN has considered retiring Agosta-90Bs as well along with the Agosta-70s and just maintain a fleet of 8 new SSKs after they have all been commissioned.

Either way, Pakistan desperately needs to be working on a SSBN right about now (and of course surface destroyers).


Look like SSBN or SSN is like some shop candy .
You should have at least 1 billion $ project for an SSN or SSBN .And maintanence and safety is also damn expensive .
 
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