6 children kidnapped in last 30 hours from Lahore

[Djinn]

hope lahore is not washington DC.. I roamed around freely when I was kid(ok got thrashed by my dad from time to time...).. may be because we lived in small town where everybody knows everybody...
does not lahore have mohallas/neighbourhoods where grannies can keep an eye on kids playing?

Lahore has some pretty decent neighborhoods, but trust you me there is no place secure enough if you are not careful.

your whole argument starts and finishes at 100% parental failure! What if they get abducted from home by force? what if they step out to go to the friends, neighbours, shops? Can you keep an eye all the time every time? is that possible?

And your whole argument is revolving around hypothetical scenarios. Firstly are any of the kids mentioned in the OP were forcefully abducted in front of their parents? Even if such kidnappings do happen they would be very rare and fall in the 1% category as i had already mentioned. Letting children wander out on streets alone depends on area and their ages, I have given you an example where a 4 year old was alone right outside his house in Islamabad..............and instead of answering that you chose to throw my way your supposed scenarios. In most of these cases parents are responsible and they should own up to their failures, not that it matters but others need to draw lessons. I my self have lived in Army Cantts(and by these i don't mean crap cantts like Lahore and Rawalpindi) all my life and they are way more secure than any other modern day civil housing society and even there parents have to keep track of their children because this is what parents are supposed to do.

 

[Path-Finder]

Lahore has some pretty decent neighborhoods, but trust you me there is no place secure enough if you are not careful.


And your whole argument is revolving around hypothetical scenarios. Firstly are any of the kids mentioned in the OP were forcefully abducted in front of their parents? Even if such kidnappings do happen they would be very rare and fall in the 1% category as i had already mentioned. Letting children wander out on streets alone depends on area and their ages, I have given you an example where a 4 year old was alone right outside his house in Islamabad..............and instead of answering that you chose to throw my way your supposed scenarios. In most of these cases parents are responsible and they should own up to their failures, not that it matters but others need to draw lessons. I my self have lived in Army Cantts(and by these i don't mean crap cantts like Lahore and Rawalpindi) all my life and they are way more secure than any other modern day civil housing society and even there parents have to keep track of their children because this is what parents are supposed to do.

I still cannot grasp your argument? Children have gone missing and you are putting a spin on it like rupert murdoch's media outlets do. I suppose those parents can have more kids for the ones that went missing.

 

[Djinn]

I still cannot grasp your argument? Children have gone missing and you are putting a spin on it like rupert murdoch's media outlets do. I suppose those parents can have more kids for the ones that went missing.

And what do you want to me to do create a "grief gathering with candles" instead of trying to tell others to learn from others mistakes and look after their children-------The best protection that children can get will come from their parents. Why should they be allowed to have more kids, they are STUPID and STUPID parents don't deserve to have any............Being a parent is a huge responsibility which clearly many including you don't realize.

 

[Path-Finder]

And what do you want to me to do create a "grief gathering with candles" instead of trying to tell others to learn from others mistakes and look after their children-------The best protection that children can get will come from their parents. Why should they be allowed to have more kids, they are STUPID and STUPID parents don't deserve to have any............Being a parent is a huge responsibility which clearly many including you don't realize.

I like your role as Judge, Jury and Gallows/execution approach. Children have been kidnapped according the report and only defence is parents fault without knowing the circumstances and the police investigation report.

 

[Djinn]

I like your role as Judge, Jury and Gallows/execution approach. Children have been kidnapped according the report and only defence is parents fault without knowing the circumstances and the police investigation report.

I am only trying to use that to covey a broader message 'If you want protection for your children protect them yourselves' and this is something which responsible ones don't need to be told, state and its machinery comes next. Most of the times it is parents fault and i gave you solid examples for those but somehow your clock is stuck on the fallacy that------"Parents shouldn't be responsible for their children". Learning from others mistake is a valuable lesson of life which again is escaping your understating because you are not willing to broaden your perspective. How the judge, jury and executioners example fits here is quite absurd.

 

[Path-Finder]

I am only trying to use that to covey a broader message 'If you want protection for your children protect them yourselves' and this is something which responsible ones don't need to be told, state and its machinery comes next. Most of the times it is parents fault and i gave you solid examples for those but somehow your clock is stuck on the fallacy that------"Parents shouldn't be responsible for their children". Learning from others mistake is a valuable lesson of life which again is escaping your understating because you are not willing to broaden your perspective. How the judge, jury and executioners example fits here is quite absurd.

Are you on the side of the kidnappers? is that it. Your lack of empathy is becoming worrisome if not for the parents fine, but for the kidnapped children at least!

 

[Djinn]

Are you on the side of the kidnappers? is that it. Your lack of empathy is becoming worrisome if not for the parents fine, but for the kidnapped children at least!

So instead of accepting the fact that parents should also share the blame you want to make me look like the bad guy---Seriously, trying to blow my statements out of context is going to make you feel that you have bested me? Is that what it is about? No wonder you are unable to comprehend my stance, as you yourself have some serious growing up to do.

 

[Path-Finder]

So instead of accepting the fact that parents should also share the blame you want to make me look like the bad guy---Seriously, trying to blow my statements out of context is going to make you feel that you have bested me? Is that what it is about? No wonder you are unable to comprehend my stance, as you yourself have some serious growing up to do.

You have since my first post on this thread to this point have ONLY ONE thing that you have repeated and that is Parents are to be blamed. Ok what if they went to school and went missing on a school trip? Or if they went to buy something for home and they get snatched. are parents expected to keep an eye every second of the minute to the hour? is that possible can you achieve that?

Children have been kidnapped and you are only going in one direction and that is to blame the parents without knowing the circumstances or motives. Do you know something we are not privy to? what if it wasn't the parents fault then who will you blame then? is the colour of the sky grey?

 

[Djinn]

You have since my first post on this thread to this point have ONLY ONE thing that you have repeated and that is Parents are to be blamed. Ok what if they went to school and went missing on a school trip? Or if they went to buy something for home and they get snatched. are parents expected to keep an eye every second of the minute to the hour? is that possible can you achieve that?

Children have been kidnapped and you are only going in one direction and that is to blame the parents without knowing the circumstances or motives. Do you know something we are not privy to? what if it wasn't the parents fault then who will you blame then? is the colour of the sky grey?

WOW so now you know what i have been trying to say and despite that you would love to view that from your perspective again? Have i not been saying in MOST cases parents are to be blamed? Certain exceptions are there but children are usually abducted when found alone.
Even if they go to school or go out to do house chores if they are not old enough to take care of themselves then yes parents are to be blamed even if it they are going to the mosque all alone.Trying to justify parents irresponsible behavior under pretenses like children "should be allowed to go out alone because they are doing some thing which is important" is absolutely ridiculous, what you are again failing to grasp is they are children not adults.

 

[salarsikander]

WTF is dolphin shark octopus whatever was the name of that unit is doing

 

[Path-Finder]

WOW so now you know what i have been trying to say and despite that you would love to view that from your perspective again? Have i not been saying in MOST cases parents are to be blamed? Certain exceptions are there but children are usually abducted when found alone.
Even if they go to school or go out to do house chores if they are not old enough to take care of themselves then yes parents are to be blamed even if it they are going to the mosque all alone.Trying to justify parents irresponsible behavior under pretenses like children "should be allowed to go out alone because they are doing some thing which is important" is absolutely ridiculous, what you are again failing to grasp is they are children not adults.

Now you are putting words in my mouth! I have not changed my stance at all. You are repeating it and I am failing to understand how YOU KNOW that these abducted children have their parents to be blamed have they hidden their children under their bed maybe? or in their attic?

You seem to have some information about these abducted children that you can quickly say that their parents are to blamed that is what you are trying to imply? Implying this on the basis that all abductions are the same motives behind them?

Now once again you are barring children from doing certain activities as well. so they should be locked behind bars maybe something like a giant bird cage? don't let them out is that possible in this day of age? I suppose it in in the mobile and tablet age.

Adults get kidnapped as well, adults being some one of the age of 18 and over in most countries. so if adults get kidnapped can that be blamed on parents negligence as well?

 

[Djinn]

Now you are putting words in my mouth! I have not changed my stance at all. You are repeating it and I am failing to understand how YOU KNOW that these abducted children have their parents to be blamed have they hidden their children under their bed maybe? or in their attic?

You seem to have some information about these abducted children that you can quickly say that their parents are to blamed that is what you are trying to imply? Implying this on the basis that all abductions are the same motives behind them?

Now once again you are barring children from doing certain activities as well. so they should be locked behind bars maybe something like a giant bird cage? don't let them out is that possible in this day of age? I suppose it in in the mobile and tablet age.

Adults get kidnapped as well, adults being some one of the age of 18 and over in most countries. so if adults get kidnapped can that be blamed on parents negligence as well?

Hey man don't blame your lack of comprehension on me..............You keep on repeating same mantra over and over "These children" These children" Did i claim anything about the children mentioned in OP, i have been trying to give you a general picture....I gave you other examples(refer to my very first post on the thread) yet in your way of trying to disagree with my views, you keep on going in circles. Yes adults get abducted as well but that mostly happens at gun point where as children can just be overpowered, even by a candy-----------You see the difference? If you are trying to tell me that a 4 year old getting abducted for being alone is same as a grown up man being abducted by a group of men armed to teeth then you really need to watch POGO my friend. I am not asking that children be barred from enjoying themselves rather asking for parents to keep an eye on them, which is an absolutely just demand, especially when they are CHILDREN and not ADULTS. You seem like a some one who would let a 2 year old run on a highway and then say if anyone hits that child its the drivers fault......whereas few drivers may avoid hitting the child but not everyone.

 

[Path-Finder]

Hey man don't blame your lack of comprehension on me..............You keep on repeating same mantra over and over "These children" These children" Did i claim anything about the children mentioned in OP, i have been trying to give you a general picture....I gave you other examples(refer to my very first post on the thread) yet in your way of trying to disagree with my views, you keep on going in circles. Yes adults get abducted as well but that mostly happens at gun point where as children can just be overpowered, even by a candy-----------You see the difference? If you are trying to tell me that a 4 year old getting abducted for being alone is same as a grown up man being abducted by a group of men armed to teeth then you really need to watch POGO my friend. I am not asking that children be barred from enjoying themselves rather asking for parents to keep an eye on them, which is an absolutely just demand, especially when they are CHILDREN and not ADULTS. You seem like a some one who would let a 2 year old run on a highway and then say if anyone hits that child its the drivers fault......whereas few drivers may avoid hitting the child but not everyone.

I have to give it to bud! you know how twist it, You would do very well in sensational journalism. Metaphorically all this is doing is dog chasing its tail and doesn't go any further.

My question remains unanswered and that is HOW do YOU know HOW these kids got nabbed? because you are giving wild stories and unrelated theories and do not apply to this situation.

You automatically arrived at a conclusion that it was bad parenting. Did you read the police investigation or was it reported in the media?

Children have been taken forcefully and imprisoned a crime i hope you will agree? showing empathy to the children is wrong and it's parents fault.

All of my questions are related to this news on page one of the thread and not some fact or fictional bad parenting that resulted in a child being kidnapped!

 

[The Sandman]

That is really really scary hope the police quickly recover all the kids.

 

[Arsalan]

Children have been kidnapped from Iqbal Town, New Anarkali, Shahdara, Nishtar Colony, Chauni and Nasirabad in Lahore. IG Punjab said, “Police teams are searching for the missing children but there is no success.” In the last 15 days there is an alarming increasing the kidnapping of children. 208 children were kidnapped in the past few days, 189 children have been recovered while 19 are still missing.

May be the ones which were recovered can help? A proper investigation will first reveal if all these kidnappings are act of one larger network or are these isolated event? Anyway, recovering 189 of the 208 missing children in few days is a great effort and achievement of concerned authorities and should be praised. I hope the still missing ones are also found and that someone thinks about that and can investigate if this is all being done by a group or two or whatever the details are so proper action can be taken accordingly.

As for involving army, i wont ask for that. Jamhoriat ko khatra ha!!!! After all, it is jamhoriat that all those parents care about!