4 reasons why India was the one that started provocation at China-India border

[kankan326]

Among all territory disputes, everyone just claims they are the victim. This is common sense. It's not rational choice to believe words from either side. What you should do is to analyze who would make a profit from the event. I believe India is the trouble maker in LAC. Here are the reasons:

1, US, the only super power, is doing all its best to contain China now. China is focusing its resouces on dealing with all attacks from US and its pawns(Australia Canda for example). It's definitely not a good time for China to start a new front line with India. On the other hand, right now it's a golden time for India to take advantage of this China-US tension.
2, Modi has to resort to nationalism to minimize his prolitical pressure from his failur in the Covid-19 war.
3, India wants to impress US how important it is in the containing China game. In return India hopes to gain more profit from US.
4, India knows the west media would always blame China as long as there is anything related to China. India's invasion has zero moral loss(at least in the West mind) and adds one more “criminal evidence" to China. This is "killing two birds with one stone" move for India.

 

[Aspen]

Indians don't need a reason to start provocations. They do the first thing that comes into their empty brainless skulls. They act on their first impulse, no matter how stupid. Indians have no concept of a long-term view or strategic thinking far ahead in the future. Logic, rationale, reason, and common sense has never been and shall never be a part of their military strategy. Indian military, Modi gov't, and Indian population are all content to sacrifice long-term objectives for a small, immediate reward. That is how India has lost so much to China over the decades in long-term. Chinese will let India focus on short-term gains and let India win some small cheap victories every now and then to keep India's ego and population satisfied while China quietly takes the real long-term prize victories for itself. Chinese are wiser and know how to play the long game with strategic patience. China can see the big picture.

 

[kankan326]

If "War is continuation of politics by other means" , Xi definitely did not use this tension to serve any political purpose. We didn't see many reports about the LAC news in Chinese domestic media. On the other hand, this is the hottest topic in Indian media.

The one who has louder voice, must be the one who makes profit from it.

 

[El Sidd]

India has been constantly provoking all of her neighbours.

Unlike the smaller countries, China can stand up to Indian bullying in the region.

 

[striver44]

Whatever, even if India started the whole thing, an aggresive India will benefit other indo pacific country.

 

[scorpionx]

So your interpretation of the entire event is it is India who is making the pre-emptive aggression here. On the contrary, what has been reported so far is near Pangong lake the Chinese have pushed Indians towards finger4 where the areas between finger 4 and 8 was patrolled by both in the near past, both claimed this territory as their own.

At Galawan river sector, a small Chinese contingent crossed LAC, then pushed back by the Indians in the 3rd week of May and the status quo remains as it is. Indians did not start this dispute, proving your entire hypothesis completely laughable.

 

[Lincoln]

Among all territory disputes, everyone just claims they are the victim. This is common sense. It's not rational choice to believe words from either side. What you should do is to analyze who would make a profit from the event. I believe India is the trouble maker in LAC. Here are the reasons:

1, US, the only super power, is doing all its best to contain China now. China is focusing its resouces to deal with all attacks from US and its pawns(Australia Canda for example). It's definitely not a good time for China to start a new front line with India. On the other hand, right now it's a golden time for India to take advantage of this China-US tension.
2, Modi has to resort to nationalism to minimize his prolitical pressure from his failur in the Covid-19 war.
3, India wants to impress US how important it is in the containing China game. In return India hopes to gain more profit from US.
4, India knows the west media would always blame China as long as there is anything related to China. India's invasion has zero moral loss(at least in the West mind) and adds one more “criminal evidence" to China. This is "kill two birds with one stone" move for India.

Obviously, India wants to be seen as a counterbalance to India, so it will play these dirty tactics and try to prove something because that will give it the favor of western countries.

As for BJP, they always advocate for war-like bullshit, it's because 80% of their population is too low IQ'd to understand the value of anything else other than taking down 'evil China' or 'bad Pakistan.' They do it to appease their dumb voter bank.

India probably built military infrastructure and tried to make short incursions to provoke. I hope China makes it clear that such tactics won't be tolerated in the slightest, but it should realize that Indians are a backstabbing people.

So your interpretation of the entire event is it is India who is making the pre-emptive aggression here. On the contrary, what has been reported so far is near Pangong lake the Chinese have pushed Indians towards finger4 where the areas between finger 4 and 8 was patrolled by both in the near past, both claimed this territory as their own.

At Galawan river sector, a small Chinese contingent crossed LAC, then pushed back by the Indians in the 3rd week of May and the status quo remains as it is. Indians did not start this dispute, proving your entire hypothesis completely laughable.

The only objective reports there are right now state that China holds significant territory previously controlled by India.

And offensive is the best defensive. This is China telling India that their stupid polito-military escapades in Ladakh near the LAC won't be ignored. Chinese had zero reason to instigate, India on the other hand wanted a nationalism drama to divert public attention since the majority are blind when it comes to war, and probably wanted to show west that it can do something and act as a counterbalance to China.

 

[kankan326]

So your interpretation of the entire event is it is India who is making the pre-emptive aggression here. On the contrary, what has been reported so far is near Pangong lake the Chinese have pushed Indians towards finger4 where the areas between finger 4 and 8 was patrolled by both in the near past, both claimed this territory as their own.

At Galawan river sector, a small Chinese contingent crossed LAC, then pushed back by the Indians in the 3rd week of May and the status quo remains as it is. Indians did not start this dispute, proving your entire hypothesis completely laughable.

On China side, the reports said India crossed the line and built many new bunkers. India broke status quo. China had to destruct these bunkers.

 

[scorpionx]

Obviously, India wants to be seen as a counterbalance to India, so it will play these dirty tactics and try to prove something because that will give it the favor of western countries.

As for BJP, they always advocate for war-like bullshit, it's because 80% of their population is too low IQ'd to understand the value of anything else other than taking down 'evil China' or 'bad Pakistan.' They do it to appease their dumb voter bank.

India probably built military infrastructure and tried to make short incursions to provoke. I hope China makes it clear that such tactics won't be tolerated in the slightest, but it should realize that Indians are a backstabbing people.



The only objective reports there are right now state that China holds significant territory previously controlled by India.

And offensive is the best defensive. This is China telling India that their stupid polito-military escapades in Ladakh near the LAC won't be ignored. Chinese had zero reason to instigate, India on the other hand wanted a nationalism drama to divert public attention since the majority are blind when it comes to war, and probably wanted to show west that it can do something and act as a counterbalance to China.

What objective reports exactly?

On China side, the reports said India crossed the line and built many new bunkers.

The satellite maps show otherwise.

 

[Lincoln]

What objective reports exactly?


The satellite maps show otherwise.

Anything and everything non Indian.

What objective reports exactly?


The satellite maps show otherwise.

Globaltimes.cn was the first to report it actually. The latter was simply the Chinese response over which tears are being shed.

 

[kankan326]

The satellite maps show otherwise.

Like ordinary Indians can understand those google maps.

 

[scorpionx]

Anything and everything non Indian.

I have no problem with non Indian sources. No one is denying the Chinese have pushed ITBP patrols towards finger4.

If you are talking about that 60sq km area, remember we share roughly 3,500kms of difficult terrain with each other and the climate, geography so hostile that even with significant man power it is impossible to guard the entire LAC. That 60 sq km occupied at different regions is not a dazzling military acheivement as some Indian analysts and Pakistanis are assuming it to be. A little common sense would help.

Like ordinary Indians can understand those google maps.

Whatever floats your boat. I can't argue with ill informed stubborns.

 

[Aspen]

Obviously, India wants to be seen as a counterbalance to India, so it will play these dirty tactics and try to prove something because that will give it the favor of western countries.

As for BJP, they always advocate for war-like bullshit, it's because 80% of their population is too low IQ'd to understand the value of anything else other than taking down 'evil China' or 'bad Pakistan.' They do it to appease their dumb voter bank.

India probably built military infrastructure and tried to make short incursions to provoke. I hope China makes it clear that such tactics won't be tolerated in the slightest, but it should realize that Indians are a backstabbing people.

The only objective reports there are right now state that China holds significant territory previously controlled by India.

And offensive is the best defensive. This is China telling India that their stupid polito-military escapades in Ladakh near the LAC won't be ignored. Chinese had zero reason to instigate, India on the other hand wanted a nationalism drama to divert public attention since the majority are blind when it comes to war, and probably wanted to show west that it can do something and act as a counterbalance to China.

India joining western coalition is actually great news. For a long time, Indian policy was to be non-aligned and they made strategic decisions independently. Now that India is part of Indo-Pacific, US will be calling the shots and telling them what to do, so India will become a lot more predictable now for China. Obviously no Indian is ever gonna admit it, but its pretty clear Indo-Pacific has no other purpose than to contain China. Now that India is in US puppet bloc, China don't have to act restrained or hold back anymore. Now China has the pretext to openly act against India which has openly sided with the west anti-China bloc.

I think China vs India is indicative of a broader showdown to see who will come out supreme: East vs West.

China is betting on itself, India is betting on west. Betting on someone else to help you is always a losing battle, so I think China will come out on top. And that will be good news for China's allies like Russia and Pakistan, India's loss will be bad news for US and Japan.

US is not a declining power yet but they are getting there. India betting on a declining power sounds like a recipe for major strategic failure in the long-term. India might think they have scored it big by being a big player on US team but it will become a big liability if their team loses. If India joined China/Russia bloc, they would be behind China and Russia but India would still be on the rising team while US is on declining team. India should've followed what Russia is doing. Russia is a competitor of China, but Russia can see that it will be more beneficial to be ally of China even if they are rivals since China is the rising team. So Russia put aside their differences with China to focus on common enemy which is US and Russia has benefitted immensely from rise of China. India has taken a big risk by betting against a rising China and joining declining US, if it it backfires, it will be a major liability for India in a few decades, and they will pay a heavy price since China is a dragon on India's doorstep.

India should have swallowed their ego and accepted its better to be ally of rising China like Russia because it would be better for them. Instead they have dealt with the devil and joined the US, one day they will pay the price for this mistake like every country that has made the mistake of trusting the US. Pakistan learned its lesson many years ago, now Pakistan does bare minimum to stay in good books of US but never trusts US for anything, only trust China. US never has interest of any country but itself, it is better for India to keep good relations with a neighbor like China.

It is better to be a slave on a rising ship than the captain of a sinking ship.

 

[scorpionx]

India joining western coalition is actually great news. For a long time, Indian policy was to be non-aligned and they made strategic decisions independently. Now that India is part of Indo-Pacific, US will be calling the shots and telling them what to do, so India will become a lot more predictable now for China. Obviously no Indian is ever gonna admit it, but its pretty clear Indo-Pacific has no other purpose than to contain China. Now that India is in US puppet bloc, China don't have to act restrained or hold back anymore. Now China has the pretext to openly act against India which has openly sided with the west anti-China bloc.

I think China vs India is indicative of a broader showdown to see who will come out supreme: East vs West.

China is betting on itself, India is betting on west. Betting on someone else to help you is always a losing battle, so I think China will come out on top. And that will be good news for China's allies like Russia and Pakistan, India's loss will be bad news for US and Japan.

US is not a declining power yet but they are getting there. India betting on a declining power sounds like a recipe for major strategic failure in the long-term. India might think they have scored it big by being a big player on US team but it will become a big liability if their team loses. If India joined China/Russia bloc, they would be behind China and Russia but India would still be on the rising team while US is on declining team. India should've followed what Russia is doing. Russia is a competitor of China, but Russia can see that it will be more beneficial to be ally of China even if they are rivals since China is the rising team. So Russia put aside their differences with China to focus on common enemy which is US and Russia has benefitted immensely from rise of China. India has taken a big risk by betting against a rising China and joining declining US, if it it backfires, it will be a major liability for India in a few decades, and they will pay a heavy price since China is a dragon on India's doorstep.

India should have swallowed their ego and accepted its better to be ally of rising China like Russia because it would be better for them. Instead they have dealt with the devil and joined the US, one day they will pay the price for this mistake like every country that has made the mistake of trusting the US. Pakistan learned its lesson many years ago, now Pakistan does bare minimum to stay in good books of US but never trusts US for anything, only trust China. US never has interest of any country but itself, it is better for India to keep good relations with a neighbor like China.

It is better to be a slave on a rising ship than the captain of a sinking ship.

I sometimes laugh at these so called analysises. Pakistan has always placed its best bet on the west. Does it mean its a loser?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Aggression started in 1947 ...

This time the two Brothers will kick out the Indian