LOL, I have no friend in India or Pakistan, and I will take neither side.
I gently asked here about the situation:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/brea...irspace-dg-ispr.604291/page-107#post-11214496
It was
Pakistanis who said
more than one Indian pilot has been
captured and the other two are in hospital.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/brea...irspace-dg-ispr.604291/page-108#post-11214524
It was Pakistanis who were barging about shooting down the SU30 and MIG29.
So, it's clear who has played gymnastic here.
Hi
You can make any sorts of claim, but they will be unsubstantiated. I provided some logical alternate explanations on how this can be explained, to which you failed to respond (as per my expectations ) further this is war situation and information is released, withheld or even reversed for certain strategic purposes - that is not gymnastics. If we go with substantiated evidence so far we have one IAF pilot and jet in Pakistan for whole world to see. PAF claims another jet, but yes we have yet to substantiate if we see as a neutral observer. Then overhere I dont understand why you missed the opportunity to also equate the “crashed” mig21 jet and MI17 as also shot by Pakistan, but want to take words and then turn them into evidence for some bigger far reaching conclusion your liking, for example an f16 loss?
If the second pilot previously claimed to be in hospital is one of ours, then why would we claim him as Indian in a press conference - are we that stupid to not recognize our own pilot, from our own fighter jet crashed in our own territory?Just think about this alone and you will realize that this reversal of info is for matters about which you and me do not have the clearance to give a authentic opinion; and without substantial evidence we can only
speculate inconclusively in many directions. I will repost my alternate explanations from previous post again with some additions, and I hope you dont miss them this time:
“The correction can mean many things if we speculate:
1) could be dead?
2) could have managed to escape
3) the second jet was in IOK so maybe they were too close to the LOC and we thought they landed on our side but didn't.”
4) We have the pilot but will reveal later, or we had him but couldn’t survive injuries and is dead; the benefit of hiding this is not to escalate situation with India as they already have lost uniformed soldiers and a pilot captured and paraded on live tv so far, vs some fictional 300 terrorists chilling in Balakot (which turned to be trees).
5) Indians lied about the first jet and Abhinand as well when Pak initially claimed with vids public - India still stated all pilots accounted for; doesnt this tell that they will hide facts and lied about their loss from beginning, so equally likely they are doing the same for the F16 kill.
5) We were just mistaken as can happen in war like situations.
6) We can do a count of our F16s to end all of speculation once the environment cools down - i am quite sure along with our Iranian friends, US and Lockheed Martin would be eager to know for sure. Trust me Americans would like to account for all F16s to esnure we did not export it illegally to China
, so there is no hiding if Pak is lying.
@VCheng @gambit would like your opinion on the last point - as you say there are checks and balances on use of F16s by US, wouldnt US like to know where one the F16s with ITAR parts have disappeared if we haven't lost any? If there is a loss then wreckage also would need to be accounted for. And the AMRAAM shown - i have some aerospace exp on civil side from which I know every part/lru has an associated part no for identification and version control to ensure a plane is certified and has conformity for specific usage. It should be similar in military side. These are are not some honda civics that can disappear, or its origin of parts that cannot be identified. ( actually car manufacturers are pretty similar in part no identification)
