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I read this on reddit today

India as the regional super power should have co-operated with United States in stabilizing South Asia by overrunning Pakistan in which case the only air force around would have been the Indian Air Force.
You must be bat **** insane. Cooperated with the US by overrunning Pakistan? The US was the one protecting Pakistan all these decades. ******* billions of dollars worth of guns and tanks and jet fighters, not to mention billions of dollars worth more of aid. The US voted against India and in favor of Pakistan at damn near every vote in the UN Security Council.
During the 1971 war between India and Pakistan, when India was winning the war and the Indian army was at the outskirts of Islamabad and about to "overrun" Pakistan, it was the US that moved a resolution in the UN Security Council, asking for permission to attack India. When the USSR vetoed this, the US parked its 7th Fleet off the coast of India, armed with nuclear missiles (this was before India had a nuclear weapon of its own). They threatened to bomb India unless India withdrew from Pakistan. That's when the USSR moved its own nuclear missile submarine to the Indian coast and threatened to retaliate against the US fleet if they attacked India.
In the end, India defeated Pakistan on its own and withdrew and gave back every inch of territory it had won. But don't talk about "India cooperating with the US by overrunning Pakistan" - when it's been the ******* opposite, it's been the US threatening to attack India if it invaded Pakistan. Not to mention arming Pakistan against India for decades.
When the USA made a request for India's cooperation to join US in the War on Terror, requests for bases, refueling and stationing of personnel were refused by India.
Well yeah, if you have a country that's been arming your next door neighbor against you for decades, would you allow them to station their troops in your country? You'd have to be an idiot if you did.
These terrorist attacks aren't new. India has been suffering from terrorist attacks for a very long time, and reporting them to the UN, and reporting them to the US, because the US funds Pakistan with cash and weapons that end up in the hands of terrorists who strike India. India has reported this for 40 ******* years. The US totally ignored it and continued supplying weapons to Pakistan, until suddenly they changed their tune on 9/11. That's what it ******* took for the US to finally declare organizations such as Laksh-e-Taiba as "terrorist organizations", after they had already been terrorizing India for years.
You think India should suddenly ignore 50 years of history and buddy up to the US, allow US soldiers and bases on their soil, be the US stooge, do their bidding, all because the US has suddenly realized that terrorism can hit close to home, and now suddenly needs help? While even now they continue to arm Pakistan, supply them weapons that history tells with 100% certainty will be used against India.
You must live in a very strange world, uncluttered by facts.

Was pretty surprised about the nuclear tension of US and USSR and the threats US gave to India.

Can anyone add more input ?
 
more details of involvement of US in 71 war or any other war where India could have ended up in way better position but because of US she couldn't.
 
more details of involvement of US in 71 war or any other war where India could have ended up in way better position but because of US she couldn't.

Mostly I can see documentaries on this 1971 war are Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshi versions. I am searching for a neutral version. Will share with you once I get that.
 
Mostly I can see documentaries on this 1971 war are Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshi versions. I am searching for a neutral version. Will share with you once I get that.

Transcripts of Nixon's conversations with Kissinger and their attitude towards India and Pakistan, and specific measures of coercion against India, are evidence enough, blatant enough.

Research those papers, those conversations. What more do you want? This is ancient history, known to all in complete damaging detail within thirty years of the events.

That is why the Indian establishment has responded to American overtures, but not with unbounded enthusiasm; restraint is the key.

That is also why Pakistani sentiment against the USA sounds so ludicrous; it is biting the hand that fed them.

A bit of background: it was the personal gratitude of Nixon and Kissinger to the Pakistani diplomatic service, represented by the Bangladeshi Khwaja Mohammed Kaisar, Pakistani Ambassador to Peking, that shines through in these passages. Kaisar was the facilitator of the secret visit by Kissinger to Peking, during a trip to Pakistan, which initiated the Sino-American dialogue that broke twenty years of hostility, and formed the centerpiece of Nixon's achievements in foreign policy.
 
I read this on reddit today

During the 1971 war between India and Pakistan, when India was winning the war and the Indian army was at the outskirts of Islamabad and about to "overrun" Pakistan, it was the US that moved a resolution in the UN Security Council, asking for permission to attack India. When the USSR vetoed this, the US parked its 7th Fleet off the coast of India, armed with nuclear missiles (this was before India had a nuclear weapon of its own.


Was pretty surprised about the nuclear tension of US and USSR and the threats US gave to India.

Can anyone add more input ?

We were on the ' outskirts' of Islamabad.. and we about to overrun Pakistan...and we didn't even know it !!

Only parts of what has been pasted in post No 1 are correct.
 
We were on the ' outskirts' of Islamabad.. and we about to overrun Pakistan...and we didn't even know it !!

Only parts of what has been pasted in post No 1 are correct.

Yeah even I was thinking about this. Never knew that the Indian army were on the 'outskirts' of Islamabad in 1971 war. Probably Indian army made some gains in the West which was later ceded during Simla Agreement, but Islamabad I think is too far inside. Pakistan entered India through Longewala in the West and India entered East Pakistan where the war was fought majorly. Other than that some scattered bombings were carried out by the IAF and PAF on the Western Front and Indian Navy attacked the Karachi port and inflicted heavy damages.
 
I read this on reddit today



Was pretty surprised about the nuclear tension of US and USSR and the threats US gave to India.

Can anyone add more input ?


United States and Soviet Union


The Soviet Union sympathised with the Bangladeshis, and supported the Indian Army and Mukti Bahini during the war, recognizing that the independence of Bangladesh would weaken the position of its rivals—the United States and China. The USSR gave assurances to India that if a confrontation with the United States or China developed, it would take counter-measures. This assurance was enshrined in the Indo-Soviet friendship treaty signed in August 1971.
The United States supported Pakistan both politically and materially. President Richard Nixon and his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger feared Soviet expansion into South and Southeast Asia.Pakistan was a close ally of the People's Republic of China, with whom Nixon had been negotiating a rapprochement and where he intended to visit in February 1972. Nixon feared that an Indian invasion of West Pakistan would mean total Soviet domination of the region, and that it would seriously undermine the global position of the United States and the regional position of America's new tacit ally, China. Nixon encouraged countries like Jordan and Iran to send military supplies to Pakistan while also encouraging China to increase its arms supplies to Pakistan. The Nixon administration also ignored reports it received of the "genocidal" activities of the Pakistani Army in East Pakistan, most notably the Blood telegram. This prompted widespread criticism and condemnation both by the United States Congress and in the international press.
Then-US ambassador to the United Nations George H.W. Bush—later 41st President of the United States—introduced a resolution in the UN Security Council calling for a cease-fire and the withdrawal of armed forces by India and Pakistan. It was vetoed by the Soviet Union. The following days witnessed a great pressure on the Soviets from the Nixon-Kissinger duo to get India to withdraw, but to no avail.
It has been documented that President Nixon requested Iran and Jordan to send their F-86, F-104 and F-5 fighter jets in aid of Pakistan.
When Pakistan's defeat in the eastern sector seemed certain, Nixon deployed a carrier battle group led by the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise into the Bay of Bengal. The Enterprise and its escort ships arrived on station on 11 December 1971. According to a Russian documentary, the United Kingdom deployed a carrier battle group led by the aircraft carrier HMS Eagle to the Bay, although this is unlikely as the Eagle was decommissioned at Portsmouth, England in January 1972.
On 6 and 13 December, the Soviet Navy dispatched two groups of cruisers and destroyers and a submarine armed with nuclear missiles from Vladivostok; they trailed U.S. Task Force 74 into the Indian Ocean from 18 December 1971 until 7 January 1972. The Soviets also had a nuclear submarine to help ward off the threat posed by USS Enterprise task force in the Indian Ocean.

China
As a long-standing ally of Pakistan, the People's Republic of China reacted with alarm to the evolving situation in East Pakistan and the prospect of India invading West Pakistan and Pakistani-controlled Kashmir. Believing that just such an Indian attack was imminent, Nixon encouraged China to mobilize its armed forces along its border with India to discourage it. The Chinese did not, however, respond to this encouragement, because unlike the 1962 Sino-Indian War when India was caught entirely unaware, this time the Indian Army was prepared and had deployed eight mountain divisions to the Sino-Indian border to guard against such an eventuality. China instead threw its weight behind demands for an immediate ceasefire.
When Bangladesh applied for membership to the United Nations in 1972, China vetoed their application because two United Nations resolutions regarding the repatriation of Pakistani prisoners of war and civilians had not yet been implemented. China was also among the last countries to recognize independent Bangladesh, refusing to do so until 31 August 1975.
 
I read this on reddit today



Was pretty surprised about the nuclear tension of US and USSR and the threats US gave to India.

Can anyone add more input ?


The 1971 war is considered to be modern India’s finest hour, in military terms. The clinical professionalism of the Indian army, navy and air force; a charismatic brass led by the legendary Sam Maneckshaw; and ceaseless international lobbying by the political leadership worked brilliantly to set up a famous victory. After two weeks of vicious land, air and sea battles, nearly 100,000 Pakistani soldiers surrendered before India's rampaging army, the largest such capitulation since General Paulus' surrender at Stalingrad in 1943. However, it could all have come unstuck without help from veto-wielding Moscow, with which New Delhi had the foresight to sign a security treaty in 1970.
As Nixon’s conversations with the wily Kissinger show, the forces arrayed against India were formidable. The Pakistani military was being bolstered by aircraft from Jordan, Iran, Turkey and France. Moral and military support was amply provided by the US, China and the UK. Though not mentioned in the conversations here, the UAE sent in half a squadron of fighter aircraft and the Indonesians dispatched at least one naval vessel to fight alongside the Pakistani Navy.
However, Russia’s entry thwarted a scenario that could have led to multiple pincer movements against India.
Superpowers face-off
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On December 10, even as Nixon and Kissinger were frothing at the mouth, Indian intelligence intercepted an American message, indicating that the US Seventh Fleet was steaming into the war zone. The Seventh Fleet, which was then stationed in the Gulf of Tonkin, was led by the 75,000 ton nuclear powered aircraft carrier, the USS Enterprise. The world’s largest warship, it carried more than 70 fighters and bombers. The Seventh Fleet also included the guided missile cruiser USS King, guided missile destroyers USS Decatur, Parsons and Tartar Sam, and a large amphibious assault ship USS Tripoli.
Standing between the Indian cities and the American ships was the Indian Navy’s Eastern Fleet led by the 20,000-ton aircraft carrier, Vikrant, with barely 20 light fighter aircraft. When asked if India’s Eastern Fleet would take on the Seventh Fleet, the Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Vice Admiral N. Krishnan, said: “Just give us the orders.” The Indian Air Force, having wiped out the Pakistani Air Force within the first week of the war, was reported to be on alert for any possible intervention by aircraft from the Enterprise.
Meanwhile, Soviet intelligence reported that a British naval group led by the aircraft carrier Eagle had moved closer to India’s territorial waters. This was perhaps one of the most ironic events in modern history where the Western world’s two leading democracies were threatening the world’s largest democracy in order to protect the perpetrators of the largest genocide since the Holocaust in Nazi Germany. However, India did not panic. It quietly sent Moscow a request to activate a secret provision of the Indo-Soviet security treaty, under which Russia was bound to defend India in case of any external aggression.
The British and the Americans had planned a coordinated pincer to intimidate India: while the British ships in the Arabian Sea would target India’s western coast, the Americans would make a dash into the Bay of Bengal in the east where 100,000 Pakistani troops were caught between the advancing Indian troops and the sea.
To counter this two-pronged British-American threat, Russia dispatched a nuclear-armed flotilla from Vladivostok on December 13 under the overall command of Admiral Vladimir Kruglyakov, the Commander of the 10th Operative Battle Group (Pacific Fleet). Though the Russian fleet comprised a good number of nuclear-armed ships and atomic submarines, their missiles were of limited range (less than 300 km). Hence to effectively counter the British and American fleets the Russian commanders had to undertake the risk of encircling them to bring them within their target. This they did with military precision.
In an interview to a Russian TV programme after his retirement, Admiral Kruglyakov, who commanded the Pacific Fleet from 1970 to 1975, recalled that Moscow ordered the Russian ships to prevent the Americans and British from getting closer to “Indian military objects”. The genial Kruglyakov added: “The Chief Commander’s order was that our submarines should surface when the Americans appear. It was done to demonstrate to them that we had nuclear submarines in the Indian Ocean. So when our subs surfaced, they recognised us. In the way of the American Navy stood the Soviet cruisers, destroyers and atomic submarines equipped with anti-ship missiles. We encircled them and trained our missiles at the Enterprise. We blocked them and did not allow them to close in on Karachi, Chittagong or Dhaka."
At this point, the Russians intercepted a communication from the commander of the British carrier battle group, Admiral Dimon Gordon, to the Seventh Fleet commander: “Sir, we are too late. There are the Russian atomic submarines here, and a big collection of battleships.” The British ships fled towards Madagascar while the larger US task force stopped before entering the Bay of Bengal.
The Russian manoeuvres clearly helped prevent a direct clash between India and the US-UK combine. Newly declassified documents reveal that the Indian Prime Minister went ahead with her plan to liberate Bangladesh despite inputs that the Americans had kept three battalions of Marines on standby to deter India, and that the American aircraft carrier USS Enterprise had orders to target the Indian Army, which had broken through the Pakistani Army’s defences and was thundering down the highway to the gates of Lahore, West Pakistan’s second largest city.
According to a six-page note prepared by India's foreign ministry, "The bomber force aboard the Enterprise had the US President's authority to undertake bombing of the Indian Army's communications, if necessary."
China in the box
Despite Kissinger’s goading and desperate Pakistani calls for help, the Chinese did nothing. US diplomatic documents reveal that Indira Gandhi knew the Soviets had factored in the possibility of Chinese intervention. According to a cable referring to an Indian cabinet meeting held on December 10, “If the Chinese were to become directly involved in the conflict, Indira Gandhi said, the Chinese know that the Soviet Union would act in the Sinkiang region. Soviet air support may be made available to India at that time.”
Interestingly, while the cable is declassified, the source and extensive details of the Indian Prime Minister’s briefing remain classified. “He is a reliable source” is all that the document says. There was very clearly a cabinet level mole the Americans were getting their information from.
Intolerable hatred
On December 14, General A.A.K. Niazi, Pakistan's military commander in East Pakistan, told the American consul-general in Dhaka that he was willing to surrender. The message was relayed to Washington, but it took the US 19 hours to relay it to New Delhi. Files suggest senior Indian diplomats suspected the delay was because Washington was possibly contemplating military action against India.
Kissinger went so far as to call the crisis “our Rhineland” a reference to Hitler’s militarisation of German Rhineland at the outset of World War II. This kind of powerful imagery indicates how strongly Kissinger and Nixon came to see Indians as a threat.
An Indian University study of the conflict says: “The violation of human rights on a massive scale—described in a March 30 US cable as “selective genocide”—and the complete disregard for democracy were irrelevant to Nixon and Kissinger. In fact, the non-democratic aspects of Pakistani dictator Yahya Khan’s behaviour seemed to be what impressed them the most. As evidence mounted of military atrocities in East Pakistan, Nixon and Kissinger remained unmoved. In a Senior Review Group meeting, Kissinger commented at news of significant casualties at a university that, ‘The British didn’t dominate 400 million Indians all those years by being gentle’.”
Nixon and Kissinger phoned Soviet President Leonid Brezhnev and asked for guarantees that India would not attack West Pakistan. “Nixon was ready to link the future summit in Moscow to Soviet behaviour on this issue," writes professor Vladislav M. Zubok in A Failed Empire. "The Soviets could not see why the White House supported Pakistan, who they believed had started the war against India. Brezhnev, puzzled at first, was soon enraged. In his narrow circle, he even suggested giving India the secret of the atomic bomb. His advisers did their best to kill this idea. Several years later, Brezhnev still reacted angrily and spoke spitefully about American behaviour."
 
Transcripts of Nixon's conversations with Kissinger and their attitude towards India and Pakistan, and specific measures of coercion against India, are evidence enough, blatant enough.

Research those papers, those conversations. What more do you want? This is ancient history, known to all in complete damaging detail within thirty years of the events.

That is why the Indian establishment has responded to American overtures, but not with unbounded enthusiasm; restraint is the key.

That is also why Pakistani sentiment against the USA sounds so ludicrous; it is biting the hand that fed them.

A bit of background: it was the personal gratitude of Nixon and Kissinger to the Pakistani diplomatic service, represented by the Bangladeshi Khwaja Mohammed Kaisar, Pakistani Ambassador to Peking, that shines through in these passages. Kaisar was the facilitator of the secret visit by Kissinger to Peking, during a trip to Pakistan, which initiated the Sino-American dialogue that broke twenty years of hostility, and formed the centerpiece of Nixon's achievements in foreign policy.

The Indian POV was articulated well by Brajesh Mishra; when he said "Americans are either naive or devious".
The American have no sense of History. Even the Russians and Chinese are better of in that respect. India must ensure that it does not lose its sense of History. The Americans can wait, to get what they deserve; nothing out of turn for them. They are not "god's gift to Mankind"!
 

It is a convention to paste links as well for readers to know where the posted piece has been cut & pasted from.
 
It is a convention to paste links as well for readers to know where the posted piece has been cut & pasted from.

Sorry to say so... I am not having the provision to paste a link. It doesn't allow me to do. Not sure about the reason.
 
I've also read that while the Chinese were not keen to send in troops, they wanted to help Pakistan. Niazi was often told from West Pakistan that the Chinese and the Americans are going to come help. The Chinese did move more troops to the India-China border to put pressure on India so that India would have to deploy more troops there. India in turn got the Soviets to move more troops to the Sino-Soviet border so that China would have to move troops there.
 
I've also read that while the Chinese were not keen to send in troops, they wanted to help Pakistan. Niazi was often told from West Pakistan that the Chinese and the Americans are going to come help. The Chinese did move more troops to the India-China border to put pressure on India so that India would have to deploy more troops there. India in turn got the Soviets to move more troops to the Sino-Soviet border so that China would have to move troops there.

There was not much that China could do then, assuming that China 'wanted to do something'. Because even that is debatable. Sam Maneckshaw had chosen the timing right, he had planned most things right.

In the end 'Tricky Dick' Nixon and his 'Sancho Panza' Kissinger were reduced to "hurling epithets" at Indira Gandhi. But Indira Gandhi was at her best when she toured the world to wake it up to the tragedy unfolding in Bangla Desh. Especially in Washington D.C. When she looked down the end of her patrician nose at Nixon as if he was some Lout. Which he was as was demonstrated by his Watergate activities. Nixon never got over that come-uppance. And he never forgot it. Which why he alone took the stand that he did against the public opinion then prevailing in USA and most notably on Capitol Hill. And against the counsel of his own Department of State. But eventually he met his own Nemesis, and got consigned to the "Dustbin" of American History.

The millions of casualties in Bangla Desh did get their last laugh after all!
 
United States and Soviet Union


The Soviet Union sympathised with the Bangladeshis, and supported the Indian Army and Mukti Bahini during the war, recognizing that the independence of Bangladesh would weaken the position of its rivals—the United States and China. The USSR gave assurances to India that if a confrontation with the United States or China developed, it would take counter-measures. This assurance was enshrined in the Indo-Soviet friendship treaty signed in August 1971.
The United States supported Pakistan both politically and materially. President Richard Nixon and his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger feared Soviet expansion into South and Southeast Asia.Pakistan was a close ally of the People's Republic of China, with whom Nixon had been negotiating a rapprochement and where he intended to visit in February 1972. Nixon feared that an Indian invasion of West Pakistan would mean total Soviet domination of the region, and that it would seriously undermine the global position of the United States and the regional position of America's new tacit ally, China. Nixon encouraged countries like Jordan and Iran to send military supplies to Pakistan while also encouraging China to increase its arms supplies to Pakistan. The Nixon administration also ignored reports it received of the "genocidal" activities of the Pakistani Army in East Pakistan, most notably the Blood telegram. This prompted widespread criticism and condemnation both by the United States Congress and in the international press.
Then-US ambassador to the United Nations George H.W. Bush—later 41st President of the United States—introduced a resolution in the UN Security Council calling for a cease-fire and the withdrawal of armed forces by India and Pakistan. It was vetoed by the Soviet Union. The following days witnessed a great pressure on the Soviets from the Nixon-Kissinger duo to get India to withdraw, but to no avail.
It has been documented that President Nixon requested Iran and Jordan to send their F-86, F-104 and F-5 fighter jets in aid of Pakistan.
When Pakistan's defeat in the eastern sector seemed certain, Nixon deployed a carrier battle group led by the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise into the Bay of Bengal. The Enterprise and its escort ships arrived on station on 11 December 1971. According to a Russian documentary, the United Kingdom deployed a carrier battle group led by the aircraft carrier HMS Eagle to the Bay, although this is unlikely as the Eagle was decommissioned at Portsmouth, England in January 1972.
On 6 and 13 December, the Soviet Navy dispatched two groups of cruisers and destroyers and a submarine armed with nuclear missiles from Vladivostok; they trailed U.S. Task Force 74 into the Indian Ocean from 18 December 1971 until 7 January 1972. The Soviets also had a nuclear submarine to help ward off the threat posed by USS Enterprise task force in the Indian Ocean.

China
As a long-standing ally of Pakistan, the People's Republic of China reacted with alarm to the evolving situation in East Pakistan and the prospect of India invading West Pakistan and Pakistani-controlled Kashmir. Believing that just such an Indian attack was imminent, Nixon encouraged China to mobilize its armed forces along its border with India to discourage it. The Chinese did not, however, respond to this encouragement, because unlike the 1962 Sino-Indian War when India was caught entirely unaware, this time the Indian Army was prepared and had deployed eight mountain divisions to the Sino-Indian border to guard against such an eventuality. China instead threw its weight behind demands for an immediate ceasefire.
When Bangladesh applied for membership to the United Nations in 1972, China vetoed their application because two United Nations resolutions regarding the repatriation of Pakistani prisoners of war and civilians had not yet been implemented. China was also among the last countries to recognize independent Bangladesh, refusing to do so until 31 August 1975.

Then how China become one of Bangladesh's best friend?
 

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