16th December 1971: From East Pakistan to Bangladesh

[bongbang]

the main challenge was for East Pakistan/Bangladesh to defend against Indian aggression that put an end to its 1947 framework and imposed in its place a foreign system that has no link to the struggles and political movement leading up to 1947 formation.

by the way what does this Punjabi saying mean "Haari Hoi Fauj K jeety hovy Sipahi"?

Tumi toh dekhi purai gadha nijer matri vashao bujho na. Sena dal here geleo soinikra hare na.

 

[khair_ctg]

Tumi toh dekhi purai gadha nijer matri vashao bujho na. Sena dal here geleo soinikra hare na.

tao tumar Hinduized zobaner cheye beshi bhuji. besides these languages are similar

 

[Irfan Hanif]

the main challenge was for East Pakistan/Bangladesh to defend against Indian aggression that put an end to its 1947 framework and imposed in its place a foreign system that has no link to the struggles and political movement leading up to 1947 formation.

by the way what does this Punjabi saying mean "Haari Hoi Fauj K jeety hovy Sipahi"?

For this read the book 'Commando" by Tariq Ismail Sagar

 

[MilSpec]

Please have some mercy and stop bothering us. We share no interest with you anymore except religion.

Taking off the first bit of your sentence, rest is the same poor bengali leaders heard from the western Pakistan, everytime they wanted equal share in the nations fortune....You guys bungled up quite bad in E.P, the travesty is the parties on whom the guilt lied went scott free......

 

[khair_ctg]

State facilities for Bangladesh war rape victims | Page 2

@asad71 sir since you were there in 1971 and served armed forces, so can you plz give us the info regarding the validity of this claim that we have raped & killed thousands of people. Thanks!

@iajdani @kalu_miah @khair_ctg @BDforever @T-Rex @MBI Munshi @Khalid Newazi .....guys your input in this delicate issue will also be appreciated. Thanks!

@Pakistani shaheens

imo, such threads "State facilities for Bangladesh war rape victims" should not have been closed. anyways, because it was, i'm giving you my thoughts here.

one Bengali Abdul Qader Siddiqui who fought against West Pakistan in 1971, and even carried out some crimes of his own, admitted that such allegations from India-BAL are concocted lies. some commentators say lately he has been having a change of heart and is reassessing his role in 1971.

these claims of mass systematic rapes was joint RAW-Soviet Union propaganda and still is carried out. this propaganda is now coming from far-leftist people in BD. recently i saw they made a TV program focusing on a "1971 rape victim" and as usual, had zero credibility and clear political-ideological motives.

it is a personal attack on every individual Bangladeshi and Pakistani families that such misinformation is carried out by a few sick minded Indians. the current Pakistanis and very importantly, the Bangladeshis have to tackle this nonsense head on. the Bangladeshi, Pakistani and the sane-minded Indian media intelligentsia has to get involved.

the goal of Indian government was to harm United Pakistan in any way it could. part of that goal was influenced by pressure from Soviet Union on the Indira administration to do something to that effect. this led to a marriage with the far-leftists of East Pakistan, who had been perpetually against any form of Muslim nationalism even before 1947 and/or against Bengali Muslims getting independence from the socio-cultural sphere of Hindu-Brahmin Bengalis. the rogue Indian government and Bengali far-leftists did not want to let go of the opportunity to turn 70 million Pakistanis into Bangladeshis.

and what's a better way than to make those Pakistanis think they were never "real" Pakistanis and the remaining Pakistanis are their rapists.

 

[chaanmia]

State facilities for Bangladesh war rape victims | Page 2

@Pakistani shaheens

imo, such threads "State facilities for Bangladesh war rape victims" should not have been closed. anyways, because it was, i'm giving you my thoughts here.

one Bengali Abdul Qader Siddiqui who fought against West Pakistan in 1971, and even carried out some crimes of his own, admitted that such allegations from India-BAL are concocted lies. some commentators say lately he has been having a change of heart and is reassessing his role in 1971.

these claims of mass systematic rapes was joint RAW-Soviet Union propaganda and still is carried out. this propaganda is now coming from far-leftist people in BD. recently i saw they made a TV program focusing on a "1971 rape victim" and as usual, had zero credibility and clear political-ideological motives.

it is a personal attack on every individual Bangladeshi and Pakistani families that such misinformation is carried out by a few sick minded Indians. the current Pakistanis and very importantly, the Bangladeshis have to tackle this nonsense head on. the Bangladeshi, Pakistani and the sane-minded Indian media intelligentsia has to get involved.

the goal of Indian government was to harm United Pakistan in any way it could. part of that goal was influenced by pressure from Soviet Union on the Indira administration to do something to that effect. this led to a marriage with the far-leftists of East Pakistan, who had been perpetually against any form of Muslim nationalism even before 1947 and/or against Bengali Muslims getting independence from the socio-cultural sphere of Hindu-Brahmin Bengalis. the rogue Indian government and Bengali far-leftists did not want to let go of the opportunity to turn 70 million Pakistanis into Bangladeshis.

and what's a better way than to make those Pakistanis think they were never "real" Pakistanis and the remaining Pakistanis are their rapists.

so do u mean westerners believed a soviet communist 'propaganda' at the height of cold war
ওরে কেউ আমারে ভোতা দাওয়ের হ্যান্ডেল দিয়া নৃশংসভাবে মাইরা লা

 

[monitor]

State facilities for Bangladesh war rape victims | Page 2

@Pakistani shaheens

imo, such threads "State facilities for Bangladesh war rape victims" should not have been closed. anyways, because it was, i'm giving you my thoughts here.

one Bengali Abdul Qader Siddiqui who fought against West Pakistan in 1971, and even carried out some crimes of his own, admitted that such allegations from India-BAL are concocted lies. some commentators say lately he has been having a change of heart and is reassessing his role in 1971.

these claims of mass systematic rapes was joint RAW-Soviet Union propaganda and still is carried out. this propaganda is now coming from far-leftist people in BD. recently i saw they made a TV program focusing on a "1971 rape victim" and as usual, had zero credibility and clear political-ideological motives.

it is a personal attack on every individual Bangladeshi and Pakistani families that such misinformation is carried out by a few sick minded Indians. the current Pakistanis and very importantly, the Bangladeshis have to tackle this nonsense head on. the Bangladeshi, Pakistani and the sane-minded Indian media intelligentsia has to get involved.

the goal of Indian government was to harm United Pakistan in any way it could. part of that goal was influenced by pressure from Soviet Union on the Indira administration to do something to that effect. this led to a marriage with the far-leftists of East Pakistan, who had been perpetually against any form of Muslim nationalism even before 1947 and/or against Bengali Muslims getting independence from the socio-cultural sphere of Hindu-Brahmin Bengalis. the rogue Indian government and Bengali far-leftists did not want to let go of the opportunity to turn 70 million Pakistanis into Bangladeshis.

and what's a better way than to make those Pakistanis think they were never "real" Pakistanis and the remaining Pakistanis are their rapists.

these claims of mass systematic rapes was joint RAW-Soviet Union propaganda and still is carried out. this propaganda is now coming from far-leftist people in BD. recently i saw they made a TV program focusing on a "1971 rape victim" and as usual, had zero credibility and clear political-ideological motives

i think some woman were raped but the number were exaggerated to show how brutal pakistanis are but this kind of thing is not unlikely in a war though obviously unaccepted and should punished who were responsible

after 43 year later any facility for the victim is more than political agenda other then any real benifit to the victims , if i am not wrong after independence a support center were opened but could not attract any significant number victim latter it was filled with some whores.

 

[Sine Nomine]

after 43 year later any facility for the victim is more than political agenda other then any real benifit to the victims , if i am not wrong after independence a support center were opened but could not attract any significant number victim latter it was filled with some whores.

Well sir agree with you Late Brig-Sadiq Salik even pointed that some cases were committed by soldiers in times when India were clearly supporting Muktis with Artillery fire,peoples were punished by death in this case but these cases were out of anger rather then communal hate or Lust...

 

[asad71]

The Agenda is / has been to keep ND estranged from Pakistan and Muslims. This however is not happening. People are getting more estranged with the Indians / Hindus.

 

[Md Akmal]

Read Lahore resolution. We were supposed to create our separate country with our muslim people in the East. If Jinnah didnt differ.

@ Bong, you are still in "Lahore Resolution" of 1940 ? Be practical, after the resolution there were many conspiracies, many sitting between the muslim leaders of Indian Sub-continent, many British Missions, Proposals and discussion took place and finally in 1947 June Indian Independence Act was passed by the British Parliament. Why you are blaming this poor Pakistani ? Why you are blaming Jinnah only ? In those days A K Fuzlul Huq and Hussain Shaheed Shurwardy was also powerful. Hussain Shaheed Shurwady in those days was the sitting Chief Minister of West Bengal.

@ You are arguing as because the illiterate graduate taught you about this Lahore Resolution of 1940 ?

@ And you are talking about separate state in 1947 ? My foot ! Have you not seen the fate of Hyderabad in 1948 ? And other Princely states of Indian-Sub-Continent ???????

 

[khair_ctg]

i think some woman were raped but the number were exaggerated to show how brutal pakistanis are but this kind of thing is not unlikely in a war though obviously unaccepted and should punished who were responsible

after 43 year later any facility for the victim is more than political agenda other then any real benifit to the victims , if i am not wrong after independence a support center were opened but could not attract any significant number victim latter it was filled with some whores.

cases here and there may have existed, including ones perpetrated by Bengali, as well as in Hindu refugee camps along the border.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Well sir agree with you Late Brig-Sadiq Salik even pointed that some cases were committed by soldiers in times when India were clearly supporting Muktis with Artillery fire,peoples were punished by death in this case but these cases were out of anger rather then communal hate or Lust...

Not just arty they were directly involved in actions against Pakistani forces...

 

[bongbang]

@ Bong, you are still in "Lahore Resolution" of 1940 ? Be practical, after the resolution there were many conspiracies, many sitting between the muslim leaders of Indian Sub-continent, many British Missions, Proposals and discussion took place and finally in 1947 June Indian Independence Act was passed by the British Parliament. Why you are blaming this poor Pakistani ? Why you are blaming Jinnah only ? In those days A K Fuzlul Huq and Hussain Shaheed Shurwardy was also powerful. Hussain Shaheed Shurwady in those days was the sitting Chief Minister of West Bengal.

@ You are arguing as because the illiterate graduate taught you about this Lahore Resolution of 1940 ?

@ And you are talking about separate state in 1947 ? My foot ! Have you not seen the fate of Hyderabad in 1948 ? And other Princely states of Indian-Sub-Continent ???????

We keep on talking anything which suites separate BD. We judge anything sitting on separate BD. That allows us to ignore some, allow some and some addition. Pakistan (united) was a mistake from our angle, sitting here in BD. Yes all the creators who made that united thing made mistake. Bangladesh should have created separately, which is proven by later consequences. Can you change this reality. As India had interests in two nation theory, so had Pakistan. Other than that 2 countries never could have a shape like today. If there was no 2 nation theory, instead multiple nation theory. Today Kashmir, Hyderabad, Baluchistan etc princely states fate could be different. Stop giving lame example of Hyderabad. It was annexed because of 2 nation theory. We were played by our west brothers to have their own country. BD could be created from the first day of 1947. Very much doubt if Pakistan could be created as of now without BD. When Pakistan was created using BD they started ignoring us by denying powers to Bengalis. Did everything possible to keep power in their hand with marshal law and at last ethnic army at the middle of night. So why should we associate us with them. And whenever we talk anything supporting separate BD, people like you, Luffy500 and khair ctg jump on to defend Pakistan. Have some shame.

 

[Sine Nomine]

We keep on talking anything which suites separate BD. We judge anything sitting on separate BD. That allows us to ignore some, allow some and some addition. Pakistan (united) was a mistake from our angle, sitting here in BD. Yes all the creators who made that united thing made mistake. Bangladesh should have created separately, which is proven by later consequences. Can you change this reality. As India had interests in two nation theory, so had Pakistan. Other than that 2 countries never could have a shape like today. If there was no 2 nation theory, instead multiple nation theory. Today Kashmir, Hyderabad, Baluchistan etc princely states fate could be different. Stop giving lame example of Hyderabad. It was annexed because of 2 nation theory. We were played by our west brothers to have their own country. BD could be created from the first day of 1947. Very much doubt if Pakistan could be created as of now without BD. When Pakistan was created using BD they started ignoring us by denying powers to Bengalis. Did everything possible to keep power in their hand martial law and at last ethnic army at the middle of night. So why should we associate us with them. And whenever we talk anything supporting separate BD, people like you, Luffy500 and khair ctg jump on to defend Pakistan. Have some shame.

Look around today all other states in SA are being controlled by NEW_DELHI,but only free and hostile is Pakistan and BSF after hitting one bullets gets enough back...

 

[suresh1773]

Today Kashmir, Hyderabad, Baluchistan etc princely states fate could be different. Stop giving lame example of Hyderabad. It was annexed because of 2 nation theory.

Which Hyderabad r u talking, I mean Deccan or Sindh

And whenever we talk anything supporting separate BD, people like you, Luffy500 and khair ctg jump on to defend Pakistan. Have some shame.

Correctly said,both are hardcore Jammatis

Have you not seen the fate of Hyderabad in 1948 ? And other Princely states of Indian-Sub-Continent ???????

I think u r referring to Hyderabad(Deccan),it had a population of 90% Hindus,secondly Hyderabad is surrounded by Bangalore, Tamil Nadu & Maharasthra,all r Hindu Majority areas. According to the Partition plan only Muslim majority areas would go to Pakistan only. there was a proposal to exchange Hyderabad & Junagadh with Kashmir which was rejected by Pakistan