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I think the debate about Christianity in the Netherlands is more or less wound up ...for most of Europe infact. The Dutch are not at all religious, and most consider Christianity as an old superstition. However, this Dutch right-winger believes that the Quran is against the constitution.

Does that mean that all others should not be allowed to criticize your beliefs, just because you are convinced that they are correct? Have a good time in heaven.:disagree: Nonsense. Beliefs and religions are always open to debate and ridicule. Any partisan can claim some ridiculous theory...

Ah, now here we've hit the bulls eye. It is absolutely fair to criticize/ridicule another person's beliefs or ideas. If one guy thinks scientology is ridiculous, he has every right to say so, in the harshest of words, if necessary.

Islamabad looks like a nice laid back place :tup: Not at all what i expected!!

Wow:pop:...that looks exotic !!:cool: I'm visiting India on my next vacation!! ;)

You sure 'bout that? Those vids look kinda staged, and very amatuerish....also I don't see any punching or kicking... I've learnt a bit of judo, and I don't see any resemblance between this stuff and the far-eastern martial arts.

Dude, trust me, the Japanese are the wackiest people on earth....

Seriously, friend, don't even compare Islamic nations with the west in terms of freedom of speech. It just makes you look ignorant. Here's a video of Christopher Hitchens, the well known religion-basher, giving a talk in Austin, Texas: [url= - Christopher Hitchens: Pascal's wager = religious...

Exactly. Therfore, Islam being an idea (check out the dictionary definition of idea and ideology) might be wrong. Here's one definition to help you along: a formulated thought or opinion :rofl: Who do you think you are? A direct descendant of Adam and Eve? Africans have been openly...

Don't you believe in your own ideas? Er....by the way...why single out Africans? Even you and me are descended from apes. What about the crusades? What do the crusades have to do with the 21st century? If you can't understand the difference between racism and religious debate, then...

A religion is a set of ideas...just like any other ideology. Please don't get into word play here. If you think your ideas are eternal and word of god..too bad...others don't think that way. Well, you completely missed the point. Africans have a history of being discriminated against, and if...

There's a lot of Aryan race stuff going on here!! Are you guys Neo-Nazis or something?

The point is that religion has fallen out with western intellectuals. If its kosher to ridicule Christianity, why should Islam be given special treatment? Roadrunner, please don't compare this with racism. In the minds of Europeans, Islam, just like communism, relativity and evolution, is an...

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Yeah...I"ve watched a few episodes of Chasers myself....some of their stuff is good...though they tend to get repetitive in the long run.

What is that tower thingy at the end? Looks like the tower of babel...lol

Perhaps you can educate me here itself? How exactly was the rule of the Caliphs so wonderful? Edit: More importantly, why is the Caliph rule better than modern civilization?

Look, atleast the Karzai govt. claims to be trying to reverse the damage that has been done. The Taliban were the one who fine-tuned all these ideas in the first place. As I said earlier, it will take a long, long time for afghan society to recover. That is entirely subjective....considering...

Can't people just stick to their arguments and stop calling each other names? Dammit...I feel like I'm in Insultoland...everyone is getting insulted for something or the other. Look, PtbP, don't live under the delusion that the Islamic world was united and everyone had turned blind to race and...

I did watch an Indian movie a couple of years back. It was called "Monsoon Wedding" I believe. One Indian girl in my Uni dragged me to watch it :P It was a decent film actually. I did learn a lot about India (especially since my friend explained all the stuff I didn't understand later)