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It’s quite a bit more complicated than that. There were multiple camps split up on various ethnic, ideological, and other group identities. In early Pakistan, before Justice Muneer and Ayyub, there was quite a bit of interplay between all these groups until eventually, the Punjabi (as opposed to...

I am not disregarding what Jinnahs friends and family thought of him. However, my understanding of the study of history ultimately limits me from accepting a pedagogy of the academic historians who may write on Jinnah. But I am cognizant to accept facts but then question conclusions. First...

You will excuse me, kind sir, if I choose not to share too much PII online.

The bureaucrats in question are high commissioners, permanent undersecretaries. They have a line to the cabinet directly, are experts on the ground and inform and shape policy. Like I said, in this docket, the folio of which is attached, a letter even gets sent to the PM of the UK. Additionally...

The point is that the people best equipped and incentivized to understand who Jinnah was and his pragmatism were the British. The documents are interesting in that this is what they think - these are declassified after 50 years and serve as a time capsule of sorts. In fact, they don’t just come...

Read the docket and form your opinion. The digital copies of all the folios are there. After you form your opinion, do post here.

Jango, can you please attach the pdf to post # 3. No need to modify the text just attach the pdf as it will help readers judge for themselves whether the claim in post #3 align with the claims there in. Also, the post is made with intention to attach the digital copy once we obtain it. I have...

Opening up another thread on what the British thought in top secret confidential documents at the highest levels of govt regarding Jinnahs ambitions in early Pakistan...

In conclusion, from the declassified docs, it is fairly clear that the British believed that Jinnah had already accepted an “Islamic accent” for the state of Pakistan. It’s also clear that they were less interested in the question of whether Pakistan would be an Islamic state or not and more so...

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Here is the document docket pdf with each of the folios in the docket attached. I had publishing rights for 80 images and that’s what has been attached here. The only thing excluded from the original docket are blank pages. I also had to split the pdf into two parts to upload here but anyone...

Hi all, as some of you may know, I was nosing around some archival materials related to early Pakistan history. In particular, I was able to get access to docket DO 142/476 which is a public document in the British archives stored in Kews Gardens as shown here -...

This thread will discuss the above. This is related to this thread here. https://pdf.defence.pk/threads/historical-evidences-for-the-arguments-as-to-what-sort-of-pakistan-the-founding-fathers-wanted.768690/ I wanted to open up a thread where we could present historical evidence for the...

I had a private correspondence with a brother and he was wondering if it made sense that the fact that the letter to the High Commissioner which includes the Jinnah letter to Banna is proof of some sort that Jinnah communicated in any language other than English as possibly the “precautions” he...

I believe you are right- unf, our secular friends are split into two broad camps. One admit that he did proclaim to want an Islamic republic but he was being either a hypocrite, or didn’t know what an Islamic republic was or was actually unclear about what degree of an islamic republic he...

I’m opening up three more streams here :- https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/historical-records-of-jinnahs-speeches-interviews-and-letters-pre-partition-but-after-lahore-resolution.770380/...

This thread will discuss the above. This is related to this thread here. https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/historical-evidences-for-the-arguments-as-to-what-sort-of-pakistan-the-founding-fathers-wanted.768690/ I wanted to open up a thread where we could present historical evidence for the...

This thread will discuss the above. This is related to this thread here. https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/historical-evidences-for-the-arguments-as-to-what-sort-of-pakistan-the-founding-fathers-wanted.768690/ Historical evidences for the arguments as to what sort of Pakistan the founding...

This thread will discuss the above. This is related to this thread here. https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/historical-evidences-for-the-arguments-as-to-what-sort-of-pakistan-the-founding-fathers-wanted.768690/ Historical evidences for the arguments as to what sort of Pakistan the founding...

@SaadH @Sayfullah @Ikbal , Brothers, I was wondering if you guys would be interested in sorting through the dump of documents I have received from the British archives in this docket. The documents as a whole are really interesting and actually relate to the calculation that the British have...