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And the men lost have no value in your eyes?

Thanks. Inna lillah hai wa inna ilayhi rajiun. May Allah have mercy on our troops and nation.

Hearing a convoy has been ambushed in Tirah? Has anyone created a thread yet?

True PAF can buy new model pick ups almost every year but can not install good CCTVs and electric fences. That too killed like sheep without having the ability to defend themselves, it would still have been a bit better if they died fighting.

These losses feel personal. I can't take my mind out of the thought of what would have they felt suddenly being gunned down by the militants.

A decade later we have taken a full round circle and found ourselves at the same point.

9th martyr, Anil Yusuf from Christian community. 😔 Thank you for the mention. 2 years ago, I would have thought they were namak harams, today I think they deserved citizenship. It is brutal to displace 1.7 million people who have been living here for 3 decades and more in 1 month.

No one is celebrating it. You are too naive to differentiate between celebration and pointing out lapses so incidents like these don't occur in future.

Don't want to be political but Mianwali base and Mianwali generally as a city has never been targeted by militants as much as it has been focused in last 365 days. 2 attempts on police and 1 on PAF Base. 🥴

-I have presented you a book written by a retired major general who was part of Kargil Op as an evidence to back what I said and you are taking support of hearsay, we can continue to argue all night like this. I want to debate on facts, not hearsay or nationalism, we won't go anywhere that way...

Yes, have you seen another Kargil? :P There is a book written on Kargil by a retired Pakistani Major General, I would quote you if I recall its name, he mentions how post Kargil Pakistan Army investigated and analyzed things that went wrong in the op and corrected them, most of it was to do with...

I am not sure about ACM but I can assure you some will be sacked, probably the junior offrs and JCOs/NCOs on duty.

PA also works a lot on mistakes and improving them. That is how SOPs work basically. Indian army/air force tried to make 27th Feb a success, it was nothing less than hilarious. Don't want to start a debate, just stating that facts that it happens on both sides. We have started admitting that...

Not to mention Indian army is no dfferent. It is a continental trait probably.

The forum looks pretty changed since I am visiting after quite a few years. Must say welcoming change. :p:

May her soul rest in peace.

As far as I could confirm. Could be more (I pray not).

It is because of the shit thinking of people like you in the higher ups that we have to see loss of precious lives on a daily basis. A retaliation means nothing if you don't address the issues that cause these security mishaps every now and then. The moment a militant intrudes in your facility...

Only if we learnt from history.

No, I was not arguing the 35 aircrafts destroyed or the whole base being captured, obviously that is a mis-statement and they are very literate about doing propaganda as well so they use exxagerated terms like these to assert their influence but what I wanted to say was our official statement is...