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Clearly you've neither worked nor lived in Saudi Arabia. Nor have you presented any hard facts or statistics to support your delusions of equality. I cannot agree with your whimsical explanation based on wage negotiation. There is no negotiation with Saudis, they always present take it or leave...

Right. So it makes it okay for Saudi 'elite' troops to excute an operation like a bunch of nincompoops. There is no lack of discipline in the IDF, nor is there any distance between NCOs, officers and men. IDF in Leb this time was unprepared, used the wrong kind of troops for the wrong job...

1. Sorry to dissapoint but the period I'm referring to started in 1989. Well before PGW1. And ended in 1993. The debacle of the Saudi 'special' (as in ride in a short yellow bus) forces recently is evidence enough. We sat laughing at the tv as a yello Interior ministry helo hovered with...

I'd put stock in OoE's words. My father served as a resident officer in Saudi during and post PGW1. Their military psyche back then was every bit as bad as he states. All about expensive toys and little discipline or training. I was a kid back then and I still remember him coming home and...