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JF-17 is marketed as a cheap fighter. It is a "CHEAP fighter", as said by your own Air Chief in Dubai Air Show. That's a fact pakistani. If you dont like the word cheap go and ask your air chief why did he say that. :lol:

Lol.. so you are saying PAF could have taken the Eurofighter but instead they rejected it and inducted JF-17 because it is superior and are "Happy with it"? :lol: IAF is happy with Su-30MKI and Rafale, that's why they are not happy with LCA in its current form.

If tejas is over weight then what do we call JF-17 whose weight is 26kgs heavier than LCA? Fat Bastard? :lol: Tejas - 6560kgs JF-17 - 6586kgs LCA is over weight because it is over weight in IAF's eyes who seek nothing but the best money can buy. PAF on the other hand cannot afford...

Sigh... i wasn't talking about pakistan. See the previous thread.

lol.. if you can't counter the points why don't you shut up. Besides, this is not a vs thread.

Well I posted that to his PM, but PM feature is turned off in this forum. Besides, who the hell cares anyway. :lol:

Previous thread: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/213958-why-our-neighbours-still-operating-buying-new-bvr-less-fighters.html I was just going through some links and wiki, and it surprised me how many BVR-less fighters are in our neighborhood. Fighters-------Numbers Pakistan...

Let me guess, you are still in denial, aren't you? :D

Yea, but no BVR missile was integrated. Dunno if the radar's range is correct. It has to do with the frequency. Long wave radars are good for detection but their ability to guide missiles are poor. But with active radar homing missiles maybe they can be datalinked, not sure though. Ok, new...

I was using some old bookmarks for Chinese crafts. But I doubt J-7 is used only for training. JJ-7s are used in training. JJ-6s are still used in training, but it is outside the scope of this thread. JH-7 does not have BVR capability as per wiki. If you have a better source please post it...

Well good for them. But they are still getting new BVR-less ones and sugar coat it with words like "stop-gap". Stop-gap or not, they will only be retired when their airframe lives is fully exhausted.

They are already taken out of service and mothballed, last i remember. We have only Bisons in service now. Yea, their range is not very huge, but the fact is they are BVR missiles. Fighters or bombers at 37km range is not something which you can see with the naked eye, for sure. Oh thanks! I...

Oh for the love of god!! :hitwall: I only gave the bvr-less fighters list for obvious reasons. Those fighters form the bulk of their respective Airforces, not F-16s or MiG-29s. We too inducted fighters from 70's and 80s and upgrade them, while they did upgrade them but not with BVR...

I didn't say "Why are ALL our nighbours still operating and buying new BVR-less Fighters" now did I? Some of them are operating them while one is buying brand new ones without BVR capability. Assuming I said that about just pakistan, how could you jump in without even going through my reply...

Yea, that is what i wrote. Don't you know the difference between "neighbours" and "pakistan"? Bangladesh is going to buy new fighters, while pakistan is still operating them. So does we? Elaborate?

Please read what i have wrote fully before spamming nonsense. Besides this is not just about Pakistan.

I was just going through some links and wiki, and it surprised me how many BVR-less fighters are in our neighborhood. Fighters-------Numbers Pakistan F-7MP----------95 F-7PG----------48 Mirage III------98 Total----------241 Bangladesh F-7MB------------8 F-7BG------------15 Total----------23...

hahahaha... exactly! And also they have this bullshit going on in their heads that they are some kind of playboys who can attract any girl(hence they can't picture them as girls in that picture). Even if they do attract girls, they turn out to be sluts. :P

As a neighborly gesture, I now offer certain ppl on PDF free tissues to wipe off Russian Deputy Prime Minister's spit off their faces. No need to thank me. :D

Some politically correct left over pakistanis from the partition days? figures!