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i can give you many such links from popular pakistani analyst degrading the su30mki for starters everyday atleast one post is there about how bad BR discussions are on that topic but if you compare the OLD pakistani defence forum and see their posts then you will see what many so called experts...

Russia did promise it will be done and it is done so soon great news this is the way it must be done ... no courts , no rights, no trials ... just eliminate them .... also russian navy did the same with the recently captured somali pirates killed each one of them brutally .... and then human...

from your link we will discuss this soon ..... when that soon happens that soon was quoted in 2008 to be soon and yet no signs and next year too we will see this soon post again A Chinese fighter of nominally the same technology generation as the Lockheed Martin F-22 will soon enter flight...

your argument is flawed who said pakfa will start production in india? who said by 2018?i said a possibilty based on the current situation of trials where is JXX ? show me a JXX flying picture tell me dates when it actually flies ....production schedule is done when all flight requirements are...

who said we dont ? get the idea straight every nation hides its failures and highlights its success more thats the what is taught in B - school market your ideas... so dont try to point that i am saying that we are good and you are bad no thats not true ... just like you think everything...

black blood take the F-35 program and how its all tangled up and how difficult it is ...to get a full system in operation ,... its not just a plane a system even the pakfa dosent have its proper engines and 5th gen suites... so JXX system is it ready when decades of two major experts are trying...

no you are wrong you only conceal your failures and not your success... in this modern word marketting people try and spread only the positive part they never hide it and true who knows what stage they are at may be not even off the boards as per your explanation

did i say otherwise ..... i said FGFA does not exist its true what are you trying to point out .... educate this IAF will have 50 PAKFA ... 200 FGFA ... NOW fgfa Still to be developed so same case lets see when it will fly but can you see the pakfa fly ? do you hear it passed 7 flight...

black blood i will see the day it will fly i did that for pakfa i even mentioned FGFA does not exist till now check my post < pakfa is not fgfa> and i say the same JXX will only come into existence only when you can show it ... if the day is tomorrow good will believe tomorrow till then its only...

lets analyse out side the first post if PAF will really have a 5th gen platform before 2030 then what are the possibilities.... current ones. F-22--- XXXX F-35 the ones who funded gets it in 2015 and the oders are high so when can pag realistically get hands on it.... PAKFA-- XXXX...

man that reply was only for that said person who had a special word for russian technology because of a sour syndrome as far as russia is concerned its true we need funding for the next level of project the funding but we are not short of develoment skills or research funding will come no doubt...

i am all in agreement with your views because thats what the reality is people try and say that they got a better thing thats human nature similar comparison i will try and highlight for you in this forum 2 years back when the IAF started accquring the SU30MKI in numbers and all the indian...

sorry i dint chek the date on that thread that showed up on the recent replies thread today thats why... my mistake anyways it still deserved locking like many other threads where the only thing you can do is have a laugh .... seriously the opening of useless threads like that is affecting the...

OK thanks for the jesture but for you post i was crying buckets .... everything that chinese does is super tech and whatever russia does is bad and low ....good point, when US is on your side their toys are world beaters when they are selling to india then its cheap and bad quality stuff ...

LOL nice one should post in the PAF 2015 2020 thread too if F-35 is here in 2010 then by 2015 should have F-60 lol

yes rest of the world dosent include pakistan thats why you are ignorant god bless you so you are accepting that chinese are making cheap copies of planes good for then god bless J-10A/B/C/D/D/E/F/ J-15 , JXX JYY too...thanks

why such a big shout about 5th generation ..........a good plane is a good plane 5th generation shows technological stride but that does not mean that the old gets obsolete in this scenerio even if IAF will have 50 PAKFA and 100 odd FGFA by 2025 in active service the frontline fighter will still...

By 2015 PAF should be like this oh i forgot to ad the 2015 data By 2015 PAF should be like this 150 F-16 A/B/C/D - Upgraded to Block 52+ standards 150 Jf-17 50 J-10 A/B 50 J-10 C/D (Super 10) 60 Mirage ROSE II/III 50 J-10 E/F (super 20) 50 F-35 A/B 50 J-11 -X/Y 80 J-15 6TH generation i...

best thread on the whole forum .... from atv to carriers to lanes to missiles and bicycles after reading tese 12 odd pages i come out a changed enlighted man thanks a lot i can feel the power inside me ... on a serious note ... i think the thread should be a stcky on the jokes section just my idea

By 2025 PAF should be like this 150 F-16 C/D 50/52 200 JF-17 A/B & C/D 100 Advanced J-XX 50-60 Eurofigther OR 70-75 JAS-39 Gripen E/F 25 F-22 Raptor OR JSF-35B+ (if available) 150 J-10 C/D+ 180 retired USAF F-22 200 Super Advanced JXX 250 JSF-35 L/M/N/O 300 Super stealth JF-17 thats my view i...