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Abaya vs dress Its pretty clear the issue was never about abaya vs dress but something far deeper. You morons are just digging yourselves a hole

Lots of Arabs wear abayas as it is their cultural clothing, what happens then? What is the difference between an abaya and a really loose dress? (hint, there is none) French policy is just retarded straight up really, its kinda perverted how badly the French wants little girls to be running...

CAMM-ER was selected by Spain in 2016, so it was around when PA was shopping PAF is using a medium range missile to replace ASPIDE, one similar to CAMM in terms of range

@farooqbhai007 m113 new engine

we're probably equally as bad. The Chinese support staff at KSEW regularly threaten to leave and go home because we like to not do things properly lol

Well seems like Pakistan is getting a KAAN production line alongside production of some avionics

Its not replacing SPADA, its replacing the missile. The PAF already has a project underway for this and may i add its a very questionable one too. Integrating a Chinese missile into the SPADA's sensors.

This is a great example of another Pakistani mess-up. Embraer should have been approached a while back for the C-390. Eventually, C-130s will need to be replaced, C-390 is literally the 'next' C130, what will the forces do when the airframes are done? More Chinese crap?

im 99% sure Yarmook comes in at even less than 15m in sensors. They seem to have gone very very barebones. Phalanx was from Tariqs so technically free or however you want to look at it, the radars are crappy budget Chinese stuff, weirdly it has a RIBAT suite, on top of that CURRENTLY no SSM but...

too heavy for our operating environment, look at the arjun mess. Will need entire infrastructure overhaul, too costly.

this may be the best thing ive read

shocking

Just saying, why does a R&D centre need a kids park and sports complex, or even housing?

all of the above Yes, theyre doing PR for it but what else? It doesn't seem to be much more than a glorified co-working space/office block being rented out lol maybe PAF venturing into real estate dev

Again, realistic scenarios no matter how real they get, It is still pre-planned scenario within a controlled environment, unlike a real conflict. Just look at the British in the Falklands, they bought stingers, took them to war, and realized that hey, whenever we shoot planes the missile ALWAYS...

afaik avrid was and is a joke so merging it with another joke of an organisation is going to be interesting

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) you alluded to a follow on fac previously, any details?

they're not just stories, they are fact, infact, i literally had a conversation with the head of APF where he told me CATIC withholds part numbers to prevent pac from buying from elsewhere, alongside this, they refuse to sell the parts needed unless pac buys other things they may not need...

why can china be trusted? they specifically export downgraded hardware, why are they trusted?

license producing them with full localisation of certain aspects i.e the gun is fully domestically sourced parts