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    PAK - TURK Relations (Defence)

    To name some areas for cooperation (some cooperation exist already) - UAV's - Armored vehicles - Shipbuilding - Electronics and radar technologies - Missiles - Amunition developments - Fire arms developments (riffle, howitzer, tank) - Military educations (pilots, battle strategies etc.)...
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    Should Pak buy the Turkish Otokar

    Ofcourse Pakistan can also develop on her own, every country can. But being realistic neither Pakistan nor Turkey have abundant resources like US, Germany etc. Therefor joint developments make sense but to reach this point you need at least political stability which IMHO is the biggest barrier...
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    Should Pak buy the Turkish Otokar

    I agree with some of the forumers here. Buying should be a secondary option, I fail to understand why Pakistan and Turkey do not form joint ventures to encourage local developments and productions. Both countries share the same strategies and want to enhance their respective defence industries...
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    Milgem's new Corvet - Made in Turkey

    SSM 2008 report says official MOU signed with Pakistan on the production of corvettes report: http://www.ssm.gov.tr/TR/dokumantasyon/Documents/2008%20Yılı%20Faaliyet%20Raporu.pdf Looks like Pakistan is seriously going to enhanche her anti submarine warfare and shipbuilding...
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    Pakistan's acquisition of the U-214

    Yes more or less, even when it is indirectly. Germany has not signed cooperation treaty with Turkey because she wants to share eagerly her technology. No any country is eager to give away knowhow but in the competing defence market they are forced to, otherwise another one will sell the system...
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    Pakistan's acquisition of the U-214

    The deal is in the stage to convince the German government on source codes and technological transfer. During the international arms fair IDEF-2009 last week in Istanbul an important Turkish-German defence cooperation agreement has been signed to deal with this problem. The Turkish and...
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    Turkish Naval Programs

    ??? Where did you get that? The detail design of the TF-2000 is expected to be finished at end 2010, how can there be already a price when the design is not even there yet. $500mln may be a target, but what is your source if I may ask?
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    Pakistan's acquisition of the U-214

    I think because the Pakistani U214 purchase is coupled to the Turkish purchase project as a combined deal. Turkey put the negotiations with HDW on hold untill HDW gets governmental allowance to transfer critical tech. The German government doesn't allow transfer of source codes, that's why...
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    Hellenic Navy's difficulties in getting U-214 SSK into service can sell to PN

    Which project of the Hellenes are running smoothly anyway one has to ask? Their 12 AH64D purchase which where delivered in 2007 but taken into service a week ago in 2009? Hellenes are a bunch of jokes too dependent on foreign nations with a chaotic purchase scheme etc. etc.. Koreans...
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    Milgem's new Corvet - Made in Turkey

    Hello HSH, There ar not many pictures of the Milgem released because the first boat is a prototype. The idea to build the Milgem started in 1998, in 2004 the official design of the Milgem was initiated and in 2007 the start of the construction began. Last year in September 2008 the Milgem was...
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    Turkish Naval Programs

    LOL especially this one is double gold http://www.shiaweb.org/hizbulla/video/iran/iran_3.wmv Putting a shortrange unguided MLRS on a speedboat, you can't even aim that thing on the waves, it will shoot every direction but the right one!
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    Turkish Naval Programs

    I am not enemy of Iranians or Iran, but I don't buy propagandistic claims neither. Showing some Russian / Chinese missiles with an Iranian name, or N. Korean Taepea dong called Shahab is not convincing. I applaud the license productions of Iran but all the claims of developed something which...
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    Iranian Jamaran Destroyger and Taregh the giagantic submarine!

    LOL showing some repair facilities and claiming Iran build ships and submarines is truly gold!! Even the officer repeats himself counted at least 7 times "tamirat" "tamirat" "tamirat".
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    Turkish Naval Programs

    LOL the funny thing is that Iranian developments are so secret that neither the Iranian army gets to see them. Jokes aside, claiming things are easy, showing credible proof is different!
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    Turkish Naval Programs

    Maasallah :) Sorry but I couldn't take it longer, the above is far from seriousness and by 2011 it says. By 2011 I'll be happy to have our Meko200 and Perry frigates modernized = 8+8 Maybe the first Milgem will enter use = +1 Total 16 frigates + 1 corvette is the realistic approach...
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    F-22P question

    Although nothing official yet, my chip would be that Pakistan could get perry frigates from Turkey as soon as they are replaced by Milgem corvettes. So by 2015 Turkey could theoretically transfer 4 Perry frigates which would function as stopgap for the Pakistani navy untill she get more modern...
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    Turkish Naval Programs

    Aselsan finished a prototype of a 3D search radar and in test phase, however this radar is not on time for the first Milgem prototype. The EADS TRS-3D is chosen to function on the 1st prototype Milgem. On the Multi Function Phased Array Radar System it is still unclear whether this radar...
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    Weapon Locating Radars (WLR)

    Turkey has 2 of these cobra counter battery finders http://www.deagel.com/Special-Purpose-Vehicles/COBRA_a000471001.aspx
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    Turkish Naval Programs

    1) Probably in 2013 since the TF2000 project is to start in 2009 (according to Murad Bayar, head of the SSM) 2) ? pure guess, estimated >5000 tonnes 3) Certainly, that's one of the main objectives of the SSM 4) The expected armament is ESSM and SM2/3. At the moment there is a huge...
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    Milgem's new Corvet - Made in Turkey

    On the design of the TF2000 we almost do not need any outside help, except for indeed the propulsion which will be most likely MTU diesel (the best on the market) combined with LM gas turbine, like the Milgem is using. The combat system of the TF2000 is the most difficult part, since Aegis and...
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