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I can't believe you would stoop so low to make up history like your Vietnamese compatriots. Cantonese are considered Han,by the Ming dynasty all Southerners were considered Han as well as Northerners. Some Southern Chinese call themselves Tang ren that because of the splendor of the Tang...

Its none of you business what I do in the US. No it isn't. Because the original text was written in Hanzi,if you cannot accept that then you are in denial. I've doubt your Putong Hua is of any value your constant mistakes are noticed by Chinese members. Why would EastSea and Niceguy post...

Keep on sharing your wet dreams with others,the world can see how pathetic Vietnamese nationalists are.

Are you kidding me? This is exactly like your claim that Chinese "stole" gunpowder from Vietnamese. Have you even studied the Warring states period,Vietnamese were the one to adopt crossbows not the other way around. Vietnamese inferiority complex sure has some weird ways of manifesting.

Calm down,you seem to mightily upset. You haven't proved anything you haven't even quote anything in Hanzi so who is the fool here. Chinese members look at these Vietnamese trolls they even dare to claim Feng Shui as Vietnamese,how shameful how much more history are you going to distort? They...

Everyone knows you are a useless member who trolls Chinese,and can't even provides sources. Come back when you have read Ming and Vietnamese sources that state that Le Loi did not originate from the Kinh heartland.

You busted nothing, you quote nothing,you are frankly wasting my time with your petty comments. Contemporary sources are no the ultimatum,Le Loi did not hail from the area of the Kinh Vietnamese quit living in denial. Last time I checked Keith doesn't have Wu as a surname. @Hu Songshan this...

Keep on trolling by calling me Keith again ad hominems are a sign of you inferiority not mine. Since when are Vietnamese historical records reliable? They are full of flaws ie Van Lang myth which you worship so much. @Wholegrain I think you are more qualified to speak about the Trai...

Unfortunately I'm don't have PHD don't mistake me for someone better,how pathetic you can't even address these claims instead you rely on ad hominems. You nationalistic Vietnamese keep on dreaming about your ridiculous claims,you don't even have the decency to back it up. Everyone knows you...

That joke is growing quite stale,you haven't busted anything except gnashing your teeth and whining.

He is an expert in linguistics you two are random forum members,I wonder which one is more trustworthy? Le Loi is Trai,stop living in denial when you Vietnamese members can't even counter my sources.

I already suggested this paper however Rechoice called it trash.

I'm don't think you comprehend English that well,I clearly stated that I have no relation to Keith Weller Taylor. You can ask the administrators if my IP is the same as Cornell University. Nope, these are entirely Vietnamese fabrications because Vietnamese wrote them. 太史慈

I never said that Dai Viet su ky toan thu called Le Loi a Trai I stated that Taylor,Lieberman and Li claimed this. If you have even bothered to read my previous sources I have shown you that Dai Viet su ky toan thu copies the Huayang Guozhi,15 regions of Van Lang are all in Southern China,Phong...

Looks like someone is majorly upset,ad hominems are not going to help you. You don't have a PHD in history nor a teaching profession at a university ie no credibility at all. I already shown the world untrustworthy sources such as the Dai Viet su ky toan thu or Linh nam chich quai. Vietnamese...

You're right I'm over-thinking it and loosing my cool. However, I cannot stand foreigners always trying to destroy our Huaxia culture and making ridiculous claims on our ancestry and culture.

No,what I'm saying Le Loi wasn't Kinh,I would expect Vietnamese included other ethnicties then Kinh. Keith Weller Taylor is a professor of Asian studies at Cornell university. His credentials are a BA and PHD in history. Victor B. Liebermen is a professor of history and Asian studies at...

Just like Vietnamese member wet dream's of Van Lang ruling Southern China. You, EastSea and ViXuyen are classic nationalists,you can't even defend your own claims and rely on insulting me or other Chinese members to get your point across.

Your English is so poor that you said that I mistook your writing. Chang Jiang is a way more common name then Yangtze. Quote the Dai Viet su louc in Hanzi. Your own historian made the claims and all you have to back up your assertions that he's wrong is that we are living in the 21st century...

Le Loi was of Muong/Trai stock according Taylor,Lieberman and Li.