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I think that's nonsense. What major advantages does J-11 have over J-10? Only range and twin engines (thrust to weight ratio). Range can be fixed with aerial refuelling, thrust/weight ratio fixed with a good engine in the J-10.

Sorry my bad, I meant it as a reply to that other guy I was replying to, I made the post in a hurry.

Zombie PAF pilots faced an MKI in Mirage III and F-7 in that interception a few months back, is that enough daredevilry and courage? Why even bother saying that? Now who's speculating?

"Liyang Aero Engine Corporation in Guizhou is reportedly developing an indigenous turbofan engine designated WS-13 (or Tianshan-21) as an alterative powerplant option for the FC-1. The engine was said to have been based on the RD-93 design with some modifications." FC-1 (JF-17 Thunder)...

Yes the reverse is true. But we don't live in a dream world, a real life "Air Fight" between the two aeroplanes WOULD involve other systems, therefore we can argue that other systems supporting the JF would help even the playing field and MKI is not so superior as it is being made out to be by...

Wrong, China has everything to do with it until Pakistan can buy (impossible) or produce (being worked on) every single component.

How about a sensible comparison for a change. The F1 is very similar to the JF in some ways. The Dassault Mirage F1 Standard air combat configuration, 2 BVRAAM and 2 WVRAAM. If the F1 doesn't need more hardpoints or more BVRAAMs, why does JF? 4 AAM, 2 drop tanks and 4 bombs (runway...

It's not as simple as that. A fair fight is possible if JF is provided with force multipliers. You're wrong, LCA would be just as tough to JF as JF to LCA. JF has similar avionics, weapons load and lighter doesn't mean winner. JF-17 WILL be data-linked to AWACS. Why deny JF-17 will be datalinked...

Therein lies the problem. 3rd generation certainly not, the JF's BVR attack capabilities rule that out. But 4th generation? The arguments against this are mainly to do with the airframe: - 8.5g limit - Primarily constructed from metal alloys So many tend to classify it as 3.5, 3.9, etc. In my...

I don't need links or videos, I am not a foolish kid who lives in denial like some other posters here. My source is a decorated fighter pilot, somebody who has no need for pissing contests like you trolls because he has been there and done it, that's enough for me. I don't care if you need...

You ask the man who doesn't build aeroplanes about that.

You should know that according to the fellow you are replying to, the JF-17 has avionics developed in Pakistan. People like you ARE fools, you proved it by your posts on JF-17 and your statement about the F-22, which will dominate the skies of the world for decades and there is nothing anyone...

When will moderators here take action against these stupid 10 year old trolls? They refuse to bring sources to back anything they say while thumping their chests. Bringing up Cope India shouting their flankers beat F-15Cs while forgetting to mention F-15s had no AWACS, no AMRAAMs, huge...

Hi Zraver, I'd like to hear more about your opinions of the French LeClerc? In case some here don't know, the Al-Khalid actually has the same transmission as the LeClerc, the SESM ESM500 5 speed automatic. I think it has French thermal imaging sights too.

It's so simple. I hope one day I can come up with stuff like that. This is what engineering is all about, solving problems with simple solutions.

:lol: Reality? Here you are comparing the Mig-21 bison with a jet that is, according to MuradK, amazing the PAF's best F-16A pilots with its agility? So one moment you will say "MuradK said PAF needs J-11, so PAF needs J-11 to counter Su-30", but THEN you say Mig-21 is superior to JF-17 even...

I don't understand why they will happily talk about MKI's radar, but they refuse to mention the radar warning receiver of JF-17. They know all about missile ranges and radar ranges, but they seem to forget that as soon as MKI switches on its radar, the JF will know pretty much exactly where it...

Funny thing is, they'll quote Pakistani media to make JF-17 look bad, but when Pakistani media says Babur and Raad cruise missiles are indigenous, Pakistan gave technical input to the JF-17 project, nuclear weapons were developed by Pakistani scientists, its just propoganda and everything is...

Hey Always Arrogant (or would Ignorant be better?), he was referring to a crap version of the system. A newer version has since been developed and if you look at the pics I posted above, you will see an uncanny resemblance to some Western equipment that is "far ahead". Not that you care, you...