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ok so the main discussions must be on 4th gen fighters . *** you said easily ?! noone will say that for sure . and we are not saying because of upgrades we can build an fighter. we have other reasons that i am writing them . it will take a little time ... about 20 minutes ....

i don't have enough energy now , i will tell it maybe in 10-12 hours later :D it may take a long time ...

ok , the ones who says that iran can't build a jet fighter by itself just tell all of the parts that we can't build and you will get your answer ...

i think the possibilty for iran is just about 20 % at it's best , and it's just because of my view from iranian people and their social structure . nothing more, nothing less...

Topic is so "F"ed ! but ok : http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/155999-iran-unveils-laser-guided-ammunition.html

self delete just another thing kollang , look when i say things that iran built and when i show the companies that give us the potential to build modern things , i receive zero to nothing answer :D

i think there is no need to compare ourselves to turkey that's all , i will just talk about Iran products ...

R&D had started in the past and i can mention some of our own designing : 1- My love : Persian Gulf missile 2- Second Engine of The Simorgh SLV . 3- Fateh 110 guidance system . 4- Basir artillery ammo . 5- Drone hacking systems. 6- Z3 tank . and many other products that i can't remember for...

and i didn't said that it's easy ! Iran started researches on engines about 20 years before ! and now Iran is progressing step by step . Good point is that for overhaul we had built many parts of engine but till it don't reach 100% we can't say that we have built one . and some other thing to be...

This is a training in the army at the morning .... i hope you enjoy them ...

look some of you think that if iran for example build j85 , she will stop it right there ! but no it will be just the beginning and a good experience for next engines ! our basic need is at least a 34 kn engine so we can use two of them in a fighter ... as we have another choice for next engine...

At last ! A Good Mod ! Nice ! :yahoo:

if you want to know the potential for building engines , compressors etc ... you can see this factory of iran : MAPNA Group this a huge compan, just see the first page pictures...

i read the content of this pic for three times , but what is the point ? it is just a funny part of a magazine or book ! not related to any turks , but i dunno why you think we think that turks are insects ?! At least i don't think like that .... No racism in that pic ...

j85 engines .... + different missiles engines ....

So thunderbolt and tofan 2 are joke ? huh? Iran can produce it , but He needs money . if we didn't ahve the problem of economy . two thing ahve the highest standars of the world 1- nuclear industries and 2- Aerospace. so when iran have proggressed well in those two , it can progress well in all...

well done , the best advantage of this work will be that we will slap and kick the as s of US like that she's a wh ore...

Shirazi people have a very good word for this : میره it means : IS GOING .... :D