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See the article about how Jinnah's words are still being distorted -- Musalman today is lost, confused about what being Muslim means and that nothing to celebrate.

Certain kinds of Muslims, perhaps

I really don't understand Why these people's head is always below the waist - they just seem consumed by sexual desire -- There should be some place where there is wall to wall sex and these people should be dropped off in that place until they can't handle the place anymore - something to...

Please @Oscar and fellow traveler @RescueRanger, he of "respect" and inability to tell good buys from bad guys, will take offense and thier rush to rescue the reputation of what they say is Islam, might mean this thread may be closed - After all they are annoyed that people dare to tell the...

Stop distorting Jinnah’s words By A H Nayyar Published: August 13, 2013 The writer retired as a professor from Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad It is a sad statement about Pakistan that 67 years after its founding, our education system and public culture continue to distort key ideas...

Atta boy - old Dubba might have something huh? Yes, it's awful to contemplet but I am persuaded that even thise who are offened and would bever say so in public, will think it privately - really there is increasingly no choice

Again with the respect - I'm no mole, and I think you are projecting. Now about the AAA, it''s once again such a effeminate position, poor pakistanis , always being acted upon, those bangles must hurt ===== There is only one way for dealing with the problem, you engage in she speech, you have...

Perhaps you could point to the "assumptions"

Reading your posts - salient points: 1. up to 50 percent of Pak pop is supportive or sympathizer 2. Anti Westernism is a ploy to focus attention elsewhere, like a magicians diversion 3. The Army is in shambles, can't tell friend from foe 4. Extremists are akin to cancer cells, contrary to...

But won't answer the question put to you

How do you get to the willing part? How does someone who refuses to acknowledge that they are sick, ever get better?? We've just got to get over being Defensive about being Muslim -- truth is that talib and leJ they are inspired by islam, that suicide bomber shouting Allahu Akbar before he...

So you can't tell whether a suicide bomber is anti Muslim or anti Pakistan? You can't Talib is a good guy or a bad guy or lej is a good guy or a bad guy? and then this gem of victim hood: Isn't that your own post, in your own words??

Excllent - What we do have t do is acknowledge that there is a great support base for islamist terrorism within Pakistan and among Pakistanis - Wouldn't that help us instead of having us poor misunderstood victims? You have to realize that it's not just Pakistanis thinking this, the whole world...

So what should we make of @Oscar's suggestion that many Pakistani Muslims are terrorists? If not terrorists, are they sympathizers as you suggest? If yes, why then take offense when the rest of the world thinks so as well? Why be defensive when you guys know the truth all too well - Why make it...

@Oscar or any who can answer: Would Islamist terrorism thrive in Pakistan if there was not a nurturing environment in Pakistan? Islamist terrorists are in every province, every village town and city How come? is there a nurturing environment for islamist terror in Pakistan? OK -- lets see if...

Menace -- I think there's no point being in denial - Pak Army built these creatures - And Pak Army promoted the ideology and the culture -- Having a mercenary ethic, when Sodie govt money dried up, their creatures turned on them, after all, these creatures were getting private Sodie money now...

@Oscar -- Would Islamist terror thrive as it does in Pakistan without a nurturing environment? Now, if your answer is "No? it would not, then you are in the position of saying that there is great support for islamist terrorism in Pakistan, after all, they are in every town, village and city...

Censorship in the guise of "Respect" - you are big in respect, as I recall, you wanted respect so that it meant no dancing either Is Talibistan really offensive? How about Denialistan? maybe the army will ensure that it does not happen, but the jamaatis are already arguing that govt negotiate...

Talib hates the army, you say Pakistani people hate the army, as for me I think the whole officer corp needs to be lined up before firing squads - Some say that would leave us in even deeper ****, and they are right - but that's also part of the blackmail of the army and politicians know this...

That's really poor reasoning -after all how does your defense lead to imply that Pakistan Muslims are terrorists? Now, were you to argue that islamist terrorism could not exist in Pakistan if there was not a nurturing environment for it - well, then how would you respond to that??