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  1. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    And you are the only person who knows. Not the Indian Media, not the Pakistani Media, not the Indian Army and definitely not the men sitting on the posts you destroyed with lasers from your spaceship.
  2. Icarus

    Five Ways India Can Avenge the Alleged Mutilation of Its Soldiers

    I can vouch for these guys' professionalism. I've stood eye ball to eye ball with them, fought them and even had tea with them over border flag meetings. That being said, the current government is simply using the "solider" card to drum up hysteria and are dragging IA into the dirt for their own...
  3. Icarus

    Five Ways India Can Avenge the Alleged Mutilation of Its Soldiers

    Void the 2003 ceasefire? Mortars are already being fired on a regular basis. The ceasefire stands in name only. We all know how that turned out last time, a media team was there within 24 hours witnessing the might of the IA and how conclusively they had destroyed ......... nothing. Saurab...
  4. Icarus

    What is BAT?

    Its a figment of Indian imagination that they use as a convenient patsy to chalk up everything from their casualties to cases of negligence to. When I was serving at the LOC, chatter revealed that everything from precise mortar fire to patrols falling into ravines and even the CO's puppy going...
  5. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    Were they also there or did India share some proof with them that they didn't with their people? Those outlets report news, they also reported the Kalbhushan episode but I didn't see the same level of trust being reposed in them by our Indian friends when that happened.
  6. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    You and every other 16 year old.
  7. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    This idea rests on the assumption that: 1. The PA knew of the departure and schedule of the patrol. 2. The so-called "BAT" had either infiltrated earlier or was able to do so instantaneously. Since the latter is not possible, we will assume the former to be true. In which case there is very...
  8. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    Rockets and Mortars are terrible anti-personnel weapons. Seems terribly unlikely, its like trying to squat a bee with a bazooka. Doesn't work. Cover fire doesn't discriminate, you cant move in the same direction as the cover fire. Plus, like I said, these are not the few meters of a delhi...
  9. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    I've gone over this quite a few times. Firstly, the PA does not maintain any formation known as BAT, the Indians have chalked up everything from the murder of their men to the disappearance of the CO's puppy (THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED) to this mysterious organization. Secondly, 200 meters in...
  10. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    Soldiers dead, my sincere sympathies. Loss of life anywhere is regrettable. What I have a problem with is the story afterwards because it makes no tactical sense. I'm only looking for clarity.
  11. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    Sure but you didn't quite justice to all the holes in the story :-/
  12. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    Why is your whole story filled with more holes than Swiss Cheese? How could they recover the one injured guy but not the bodies of the two KIA? And if they weren't "safe" at the time, they'd duck for cover, I get that, makes absolute sense, however they wouldn't magically end up at their post...
  13. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    A "civilian like you" is not making any sense, decisions are made with strategic objectives in mind. I would not hesitate to ask my men for a risky mission provided that the objectives I hope to secure justify the risk involved which in this case there were none. Secondly, if I was the ambush...
  14. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    Oh wow, THEY WENT UNDER FIRE TO MUTILATE A CORPSE! This just keeps getting better and better. So you mean to tell me, some guys crossed a river and several minefields, under fire, to mutilate two already dead guys and didn't bother to dispatch the one who was alive. That is some crazy stuff...
  15. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    Okay, looks like you're just running on jingoism and not looking for any discussion. Good luck for the stuff in bold but with such a display of incompetence, I wouldn't hold my breath on it if I were you.
  16. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    And if they had the time to kill and then proceed to mutilate those two guys, how did they manage to leave the third one alive? Or did he survive an ambush, a beheading and subsequent further mutilation?
  17. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    Please refer to the second part of my post.
  18. Icarus

    Pakistan Army has not violated LOC Indian claims are false.

    That being said, mortar shelling definitely happened, rockets must have been fired, ambush might have taken place but nobody has the time to stay in enemy territory to mutilate a corpse. That is just stupid. Risks are taken in relation to the potential dividends that they may present, mutilating...
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