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明代女真人不仅接受明朝封赠的官衔，也接受朝鲜和蒙古的头衔，这都在朝鲜和蒙古史书中有记载，但是事实上三方都不能真正控制女真人，女真人是由贝勒们控制着，这些人接受明人的官衔和敕书，这样可以和明人进行边境贸易尤其是马市，接受明人官衔不代表明人真正能控制他们，因为过去很多国家都接受中国官衔，清代的时候也有外国这样，但那属于中国吗？ If Jurchens were really Ming subjects,then how you view the Manchu conquest of China?Just a civil war?And what about those fought...

The 羁縻 means not really controlled,the Ming dynasty want to use the Jurchens to against the Mongols,and use some Jurchens against other jurchens I already proved Ming dynasty not really controlled Jurchens,the Jurchens have their own small kingdoms,and received the Ming,Mongolian and Korean...

Yes,I think so,this is the reason the Ming built the 边墙 of Liaodong,because Jurchens always attack the Ming frontier Also when the Mongols became powerful,the Jurchens also receive the Mongolian titles

I already said those are 羁縻 policy,the Koreans also use the Ming titles,that not means they were Chinese that time The Jurchens of Ming dynasty had many countries:Yehe,Hoifa,Ula and Hada,all those countries(gurun) used the title Beile(means King,however in Dynasty,the title became lowed) The...

Those are 羁縻 policy,not means they were really subjects of Ming,the Ming didn't treated them as subjects neither,otherwise the Ming wouldn't build the 边墙 of Liaodong

I agree with this,but the Jurchen-Manchus were not Chinese before 1644 Liao and Jin dynasty were Chinese dynasties,but Tibetan empire,Nanzhao Kingdom,Dali Kingdom,the Qara Khanate weren't

The meaning of word 中国 changed all the times,however those three kingdoms broken from the Han dynasty,so they were both Chinese in my opinion

I mean before Qing dynasty,the Jurchen-Manchus were not part of Imperial China,so they were not Chinese,but people like Zhuang and Bai are Chinese in Ming dynasty

You just show your true colour in your posts,you said we Manchus only brought bad things to China,if we are so bad,why not you give up northeast,Inner Mongolia,Xinjiang and Tibet,all those regions were conquered by the Qing dynasty

Modern China is successor of Qing dynasty and Modern Chinese is not same as Han Chinese,can you understand?

Manchus were not Chinese before 1644 AD,but after 1644,Emperor Shunzhi became Chinese emperor,then Manchus became Chinese. In Manchu language,in Qing dynasty records,they called their country as Dulimbai gurun simply meas China,in ROC era,the Xibes of Xinjiang call ROC as Dulimbai irgen...

As I said before,those things happened in anciet,we can't use modern values to blame them

You can be proud your ancestors fought against Manchu invaders,it's their duty in later Ming-early Qing period to fought againjst Manchus,I'm nothing against it,but the Manchus conquered Hans just like Hans conquered southern minorities,the southern minorities invaded Hans?No,but they were still...

This is hard to answer,the Manchurian language die out is a long history,after 1644,the emperors brought Manchus into Chinese proper everywhere,the Manchus lived with the Han Chinese,and were fewer in numbers than Han Chinese,so many Manchus lost their languages in middle Qing period(the...

Yeap,there is no Qing dynasty anymore,but you should know,the history of Qing dynasty is somgthing special to us,for a person have the ancestors fought and died for this dynasty,this feeling is natural.I have no problem for someone criticize the Qing dynasty,however many of those...

Because this movement is started by ultra-nationalists,I know not all Hanfu fans are those Han ultra-nationalists,but many of them. Their view of history is biased,for example,the Qing dynasty never forbidden the Han females to wear their traditional clothes,I admit the Qing dynasty actually did...

Yes,I'm a Manchu

Yeap,in real life,the Hans and Manchus are get along very well,even my girlfriend is a Han from Shandong,I have nothing against Han,but we are minority,few in number,so it's not surprise we sensitive to those things

Hans can wear their own clothes,I don't against it,but then I know very well who started this movement,and how those netizens trash Manchus in Chinese internet forums,so it's naturaly for us to suspect there are something else hide in this movement,if they only want to promote their own...

I don't against Han Chinese have their own clothes,but this movement is anti-Manchu in nature,many people take part in it are ultra-nationalists,I'm deep worried if those people have more influence One thing to note,the Qing dynasty never forbidden the Han females to wear their traditional...