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  1. Mutakalim

    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    Sectarianism of every form is condemned is Islam. Whether its religious, ethnic, linguistic or national. There is no second opinion about it. We have given up all our ethnic identities, biases and nationalities by coming into the fold of Islam. Our primary identity is Islam and only Islam. I...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    I got this impression from your generalization of all school of thoughts. Thanks for the correction. If by sects you mean Deobandi, Wahabi, Shia and Barelvi, then I agree with all of the points which you have made in following paragraphs. Are you talking about this Ayah? And they swear by...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    I agree. So all of them were biddati. Then what about other followers of these schools who didnt prayed behind those Mullahs in Masjid ul Haram and who regularly pray behind Imams of other sects? You are changing your views and I appreciate that. We can not and should not declare everyone...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    You are claiming that all four school of thoughts were biddati along with all of their followers and still instead of you I am sectarian. I believe in all Ahadith of Prophet ,A.S without any exception. Except Prophets, no one is infallible in Islam. The wrong doings of our ancestors are with...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    Sir, I am delighted that you have revised your previous view that "Mullahs were against the partition." Significant portion of them were supporting Pakistan and two nation theory. These are just three names, other big names can also be found with little effort. A significant portion of Ulema...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    I dont have any objection if you are saying that Ummah is broken not dead. My argument was against the notion that Ummah doesn't exist and we should get rid of Quranic concept of Ummah. My objection is not on the verdict of Quran and Hadith (Naoz o Billah). My objection is on the conclusion...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    You are ready to accept all similarities and common things, without much criticism. However, the only thing which is not acceptable to you is the capability of Deen to unite different factions into one nation. Communism can unite different countries, secularism can unite different factions...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    Placing four Mussalas in Majid e Haram was not Ijma. I dont think anyone claimed that. This action of a regime and some individuals can not be acceptable, at all. I am referring to Sunni majority. They are being taught in their textbooks of theology that they can offer prayer behind anyone. It...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    You are forgetting the role of Shabbir Ahmad Usmani, Jamaat Ali Shah, Pir of Manki Shareef and other like minded individuals. Claiming that all Mullahs were against partition is factually and logically absurd, to say the least. Should I quote speeches of Muhammad Ali Jinnah and other Muslim...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    Baltis and Muhajirs dont have similar history, they also dont speak similar languages and also didn't shared any resources before partition. They belong to different races. Baltis have more in common with Uighurs of China than with Balochs of Pakistan. They only share a common defence and that...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    You were saying that Ummah is dead. So how it can become witness? What does this mean? Does this means that all 1.6 billion Muslims are sinful? I must say its a big leap of imagination, to declare whole of the Muslim world as sinful due to wrongdoings of few. If we assume that your assertion...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    That problem has very serious consequences. For instance, if you claim that we are not sure about anyone's Islam than same could be applied to Pakistanis. Moreover, this also means that everyone else beyond us is non Muslim. We can not decide who is real Muslim and who is fake. If any person...
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    Featured BSO(Azad) Leader Karima Baloch Found Dead in Canada

    Liberals, Murtadeen, Hindus and ethnic nationalist have joined hands, again. The nexus between parties of evil.
  14. Mutakalim

    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    There are countless fissures among Muslim Ummah. We have killed each other, stabbed each other in back and helped kufaar against each other. These are facts and I am not denying them. However, wrongdoings of some cannot be attributed to whole community. There were wrong doers among us and there...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy. Surah e Hujarat 10 The believing men and believing women are allies of one another. Surah e Toba 71 They say: Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in faith and...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    I dont want to know your feelings. A lot of people feel a lot of different crazy things. The thing which matters the most is whether their feelings makes any logic or not. Please present something logical to support your claim. I will repeat my question again. What makes us a nation? What is the...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    I believe in Muslim brotherhood, not in becoming errand boys for traitors. Nor did I have claimed anywhere that we should support traitors. Your objections were against concept of Muslim ummah and Muslim brotherhood. Do you believe that all Muslims are brothers of one another? Nonetheless...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    I have heard your theories many times. Now its time to present your arguments, support your claim with something meaningful. Invoke your deities, write something with evidence and logic. Show us your high IQ level by refuting arguments with arguments. Parroting same thing again and again will...
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    The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

    Whose nationalism matters? Pashtoon nationalism, Muhajir nationalism, Baloch nationalism or Indus nationalism? What makes Pakistanis a nation? Indus river? Can you point to that thing which makes us a nation?
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