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  1. Tank131

    Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

    This i agree with. I would think the logical, low cost upgrade is with FL-3000N (HHQ-10), BUT, if they really wanted to get the most out of F-22P, they would go with the VLS. Even if this upgrade (new radars, VLS/Albatross NG, and a new CMS, like the Genesis upgrade for the G-class frigates)...
  2. Tank131

    Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

    All i know is that i am convinced that you and I have prayed some of these exact upgrades into existence,including CAMM-ER, MILGEM, and the supposed upgrade of F-22P
  3. Tank131

    Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

    I think you are conflating Albatross and Albatross NG. Albatross is a legacy system based around Aspide 2000 (this is essentially the Sea/ship mounted version of SPADA 2000). The Albatross NG is based on CAMM-ER and is VLS based. I dont think it comes in box launcher form. That said, there is...
  4. Tank131

    Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

    I think the bigger news in this the notion of upgrading F-22p with Albatross...ideally,if they can get albatross integrated to MILDAS an 8 cell MILDAS for F-22P would enable 32 CAMM-ER missiles. The radars and CMS would also need updating. My suspicion is such an upgrade would cost $150-200M/ship.
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    Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

    Again remember that the only naval HQ-16 is LY-80/HQ-16A which has a 40km range. If a newer variant becomes available and navalized, then an upgrade can be acquired.
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    Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

    That may be, but if it is not adopted in PLAN, it needs to ve navalized. So far there is HQ-16B and even HQ-16C, neither of which are found in the Navy. So its not just having the varient out there, but it needs to be able to be launched from a ship.
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    Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

    Well, there are a number of factors that give me pause about the HQ-16 moving forward. Main one is actually the range. The 40km is for aircraft, but its max range against cruise missiles is said to be as low as 18km...mind you that is against sea skimming missiles... Against brahmos, that may...
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    Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

    Barak 8ER will likely find its way onto IN ships from Visakhapatnam-class and Kolkata class destroyers as well as Nilgiri class frigates. The Shivaliks are new enough that they could see a refit with removal of the shtil magazine and an updated VLS that can fit brahmos and BARAK 8ER. That...
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    Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

    With respect to hypersonic missiles, CM-302 and CM-400AKG should be able to take care of that role. The SOM (which frankly should be acquired for UCAV use) an other subsonic missiles are still not without their use however. Launching a number of Zarb (c-602) from land, SOM from Akinci and harbah...
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    Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

    I think this is something the navy should also be able to utilize well. Instead of routing ZDK to Navy for assistance, having a stealthier and smaller aircraft like Akinci for the navy which can not only utilize BVR missiles but also use SOM, will make a huge impact for PN. They can be used as...
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    JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

    I never asked a question. I answered another's question as to whether blk 2 could even utilize PL15 effectively. The answer is yes.
  12. Tank131

    JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

    You are correct, but the point still stands, that the NEZ is more important for the missile than the max range... And with respect to the JF-17, BOTH block 2 and 3 should be able to use it effectively.
  13. Tank131

    JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

    The 100 weapons he was referring to was after Balak9t incident. I doubt it will reamain at 100, especially given blk 3 and J-10c using it. Im not sure i understand your other point... Of course PL-15 will go active, but for initial guidance, it needs the targeting from the FCR. You wont just...
  14. Tank131

    Pakistan UAVs News & Discussions

    Frankly, i think Pakistan is operating too many different types of UCAV. Burraq (which I will wager is not in production any longer) Shahpar II WL-2 TB-2 Akinci With Shahpar II and WL-2, i really dont see why the PAF bought TB-2. Unless it is dissatisfied with Shahpar and WL-2, in which case...
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    JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

    To be grounded you have to have actual lifted off... Whether or not this is true, im not sure, but remeber that most missiles are not launched at max range. With KLJ-7V2's 150km range, the block 2 can still use the PL-15 very effective, and at at least 50 km out further than SD-10. But more...
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    Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

    Turkey Tests MILDAS I think this will be very relevant to Babur's and more importantly Jinnah class. PN should target MILDAS as the VLS for Jinnahs. They should also plan on replacing the 16 cells of the GWS.35 type CAMM-ER launcher on Baburs with 8-12 cells of the MILDAS VLS as these will...
  17. Tank131

    Pakistan Navy | News & Discussions.

    I think the issue was that PN and turkey were refused the ability the integrate the Harpoons on them by the US. China likely would not allow C-802A, though im not sure if that avenue was pursued. The only thing to do was wait for Atmaca, and now im not sure if its worth it. For the record, i...
  18. Tank131

    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    The reason you would change the name has nothing to do with references to Pakistani manufacturers. It has zero bearing on the production lines or logistical supply chain. There is zero reasons that exist why you would need to change the name of an aircraft that (by that time) will have been...
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    Featured Project Azm: Pakistan's Ambitious Quest to Develop 5th Generation Military Technologies.

    To give that description you have to fly it, and no one who flies it would ever put such a statement out. BUUT with a TWR <1:1 it definitely leaves a bit to be desired. This will be relavant to payload in addition to wing strenght. Getting something in the 21-23000lb range with similar...
  20. Tank131

    Featured Project Azm: Pakistan's Ambitious Quest to Develop 5th Generation Military Technologies.

    Agreed. J-10CE will fill the top flight role and i think it will be what PAF wanted for the F-16. The F-16 will start being phased out in 2030s when a FGFA starts coming online, the JF-17 should continue to see interative upgrades. If Gripen has no end in sight, why should the thunder? The...
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