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We have to accept that since 1991, after American arms embargo, we have neglected our air force. By 1990,s we failed to purchase 32 mirage 2000-v or 44 mirage 2000-s . Even we could,t purchase a dozen of them so that by next decade purchase another dozen. Then by 2000 onward we lost opportunity...

How many F16 we have now? 31 out of 1982_4 batch, 14 from 1992 batch delivered after 2004, 18 block 52, 13 ex_jordenian and 2 more I think from 1992 batch( if I,m correct). That equals 78. Not 74. From anywhere we get second hand f16 , we must welcom

There seems no reason to object on this purchase. Imagine next morning one squaderen of f7p, replaced by these f16...a multirole fighter capable of countering su30... and capable of deep strike

I totally agree. Its not 2003 even, what to talk about 1983. I was a child when ptv khabarnama in 1983 announced first 3 f16 entereing pakistani skies. Now after 33 years, we are still considering it as best option??? And what to atalk about that we have infrastructure for it. Egypt purchased...

Are you still hoping , su35???

Why not now try for grippen NG? I,m sure, after indian purchase of refale, there will be no huddle

Okey. That offer was , just to stop us from nuclear tests. You are right. It was 1998

I know only one thing. Its decision time. Since 1990,s PAF is struggling. Sometime purchasing second hand mirages from australia,france,belgium,lebnon sometime purchasing F7 PG like old technology fighters in the event of coming war with india in 2003_4( PAF wpuld have never purchased, otherwise...

I tatally agree . In past 14 years, what we have got is meaningless. What original order was , in 2005_6, 75 block52' then reduced to 55 and then only 36 and then. Just 18. It was cancelled by Musharraf as he wanted to tell the world that we want to spend money on victems of earthquake.and...

Earlier in 1990,s pakistan had almost done a deal for 32 mirage 2000. But price went up due to loan and instead of 3 billion dollars, it went upto 4.2 billion dollars. While in that decade, PAF neede 916 million dollars for other projects as mirage upgrade, second hand mirages purchase, radars...

He called nawaz sharif and offered multi billion dollars economic package and for f16 , as there was american arms embargo on pakistan, he said you can get fighters from sweeden. So it was green signal

That engine issue was in 1990,s .I,m talking about 2004_6 era. In 1999, clinton offered Pakistan grippen for not doing nuclear tests.price of grippen is I think 83 million dollars I.e same as f16 ( with weapon package). But cost of indulging new fighter is too much.

I myself think, we will not see su35 in our airforce. We will continue to purchase second hand f16 and upgrading them. And waiting for true chinease fifth generation fighter aircraft. That seems logical from pakistani, russian and indian perspective

I think at that time, Pakistan aorforce considered Grippen as well and it was priority. But price of grippen was more than F16???

Pakistan ordered 110 more. Out of them about 50 will be prepared in coming 2 years

Thanks. So out of 28 made in 1991_2. We have recieved 16. So we can expect 12 more second hand ....

How? And what about second hand purchases underway?

Can anyone tell me exact number of f16 in pakistan inventory. 31 out of initial batch of 1982_85, 14 from 1991_92 batch delivered after 2003, 18 block52 , 13 from jordan. That equals 76. What about news that america delivered 14 warplanes from afghan surplus? What about more jordenian planes...

Pakistan can hardly afford one single type of high performance fighter aircraft, after signing deal for 110 jf17 and 8 chinease submarienes.That can be either su35, j10, or F16. Because we are short of money and even for purchase of high performance fighter aircraft, we do,t jave funds for real...