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Yep, that's ideally should happen. The NATO / US treatment with Turkey is humiliating, kicking out of F-35 program after years of work and investments, then even still blocking block-72 F-16s and its kits. Turkey even doing lobbying for the release of those. US / NATO only keeping...

Exactly! That's what I am trying to tell that thick skull that Hurjet is designed to be a trainer. You add whatever engine over it that does not mean its ready to do combat with other fighter aircrafts. Its not designed to do it at first place. The whole purpose is defeated if you make it...

Again feeling no shame comparing a trainer with JF-17s and Gripens ?? Pak / China developed K-8 Trainer in early 1990s. If you compare it with K-8 then it makes sense atleast that you are comparing aircrafts of nearly same roles and nearly same specs. In In modern era trainers / light...

Those days are long gone when US could do anything it wanted. Gaza is just a tiny strip and no formal military to protect it. Hamas is just gureilla fighters with no tanks, no aircrafts, no nothing. You said, if we wanted to do this and that. Well, you just surrendered from Afghanistan...

Americans approved happily for greeks. Infact, their existing block-52s are being upgraded to block 72 if am not wrong. US really treating you as a step son. First kicked out NATO member from F-35 then even holding F-16Vs despite all the pleas and lobbying!! Smh! Let me become a...

Nope. F-16V (block-70) is a different beast altogether. Turkey is doing lot of lobbying in US to approve sales of F-16Vs and its kits. Imagine, an allied NATO country had to do lobbying for approval. Crazy. That's perhaps not because of technology but Taiwan just cannot afford to give...

Only if Viper is armed with AIM-9X. Otherwise with Aim 9L against Jeff with PL-10 is no match at all. Jeff will be able to lock and shoot at even ~180 degrees. Missiles are always very important. By 2008-09, even our JF-17 block 1 was our most capable aircraft when we had BVR capability on...

Well, certainly I struck a nerve there. :D You certainly are getting ready to make a fool out of yourself on a failed argument. Its hilarious that's the best you could do? A full load of crappy argument you came up to defend the great Hurjet? Hurjet could be a very good plane but...

Engine issue is resolved now. Germany has blocked the MTU 396 engines, Pakistan waited quite a long then opted for Chinese version. Chinese CHD620V16H6 diesel engine has passed the National Military Standard (GJB(Guo-jia Jun-yong)) certification on July 27, 2023 But certainly all that...

You didn't ask, but am gonna shove my "opinion" down your throat anyways - No BS, or non-sense would go unanswered such as: "I've heard from a Turkish source that it was much more liked than the chinese built warships" LMAO! You and your sources

Bro, have you seen cockpit of F-16As ?? JF-17C is generations ahead of those old F-16s. Older guys here must remember that JF-17 was our most advance and dependable aircraft before the AMRAAMs and block-52s. F-16A JF-17C and how on earth you concluded his thoughts? He is...

and you are a Moron! Did I go personal with you? Your turkish education has only taught you to go personal with anyone whoever disagree with your turkish sh-t? On the other note, Hurjet "Planned" version which "will be"! . Who gives a damn to planned version. The original comment says...

Geopolitically speaking buying JF-17s from Pakistan is possible and will not put Turkey in any tight corner. Buying an aircraft directly from China is very unlikely (though still not impossible) Even if Turkey buys J-10C from China, Turkey cannot right away do any changes on it, It is a...

Totally agree. That's even more amusing when JF-17 original designer & partner is China. The recent version is inducted just a year ago and on which PAF has already invested a lot. I don't think, I need to make a point that China's aviation technology is at a different level completely...

In what way both are "similar" ? The very roles are different. One is planned and built specifically for a role of 4th gen multirole combat aircraft, other is specifically a trainer aircraft. The obvious difference in role & capabilities leaves only non-combat aspect of components that...

LOL! There's no evidence or proof that PN liked it "much more" then "chinese" warships. Infact, when Type-54A/Ps were inducted, there was quite a lot media attention and Pakistan navy commanders of these ships were interviewed, they literally said those are world class ship which gives them...

Only possible, if Turks commit to buy that specific block too. ( JF-17 block with some turkish input ) PAF already invested quite a lot in block-III. JF-17 block-III is quite latest in PAF inventory, already comes with AESA radar (and all sort of newest weaponary HOBS missiles, EW suite...

Again JDAM, why Israel would use JDAM when they don't want to destroy the entire structure. They achieved their objectives which I will again copy here: Israel's two main objectives in the strike: - Give a strong message to Hamas specifically and Palestinians in general that nowhere is safe...

Agree, I never said 'absolute boycott'. I am just against total dependence. All eggs cannot be in the same basket. Why US used to twist anyone's arm was because it had all the cards all the time. That's changing slowly. Disagree, In most cases (except only Bosnia) US did it purely for...

I don't know, why its difficult to understand. Don't you think destroying a hospital would have brought world-wide condemnation ? It still did, but not to a degree since Israel successfully made it controversial I don't think you get the meaning of what israel's objectives were and in the...