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Xyz? Jinnah is now xyz? It's Eid so I don't want to get to worked up but you really should re-read what I wrote And since you are so keen to embrace yourself Here is some xyz telling his nation that it is secular.

Honestly, it really doesn't matter of Jinnah was secular, what matters is where do we go from here. We tried both secular and "Islamic conservatism" One gave us prosperity and the other gave us decades of terrorism and nearly 100,000 dead.

The state does but care which religion you follow. Easy :)

Listed to his speech after pakistan was created. That is the only evidence you need. :coffee:

To the Indians talking about China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their...

You even said this is not the place for it. Start a new thread and I will be there, ready to wrestle.

I tried to diplomatically disengage you as, like you said, this is not the place for it. But you really needed to act like poo poo head?!

We already butted heads on this El Sidd sahab, you and I are not in agreement, which is fine.

Jinnah was our Attaturk but he died before he could fully secularize Pakistan. So we had to go through the 70s to now where the crazy conservatives took over the insane asylum. Remember, Pakistan was the most prosperous when it was secular.

Back when I was young and deeply conservative, I hatted Ataturk. Now, I can see how right he was. I think he went a little too far in some parts, but every Muslim country needs an Ataturk or we will never ever progress and will always be the victims of outsiders.

Gotta love the personal insults It's impossible to defend a authoritarian system where you have to be brainwashed with patriotic education to actually believe in it. You people are having such a hard time defending your system on PDF, the easiest place on earth for Chinese propagandists, how...

Could you show me the part of the treaty that says that the US could not pass a resolution in support of the people of HK? China has very clearly violated its obligations. As for the rest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the...

So I took a Mughal History class in University back in the day and this topic came up. for hundreds of years the British had mostly recruited from the Bengal area as that is where they arrived first. just before the mutiny, the British had conquered Punjab with the troops that were now...

All I want in life is to watch Pakistan travel vlogs, cooking videos, and news in peace. :D

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh man BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA This is the funniest s--t ever!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Chinese what-about-ism blew up in their own face!!!!

Oh I did. I tried to stay away from PDF Spent time on Youtube, reddit, twitter, etc But every time a post or article about Pakistan was posted.... well we know the story. It is impossible to get away from the sheer hatred and depravity of Hindutvas online. If the sanghis just left Pakistani...

One by one every single mafia needs to be tackled or there is no future for Pakistan. Mark my words.

okay, in the mean time I will just start assuming that no pesticide was used on Zaroastrianism.

can you give me a quick summary? I have no idea how a religion can have bloodlines and how they can spill over.

don't do that. Don't stoop to their level. We are better then that.