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Absolutely, I believe Fateh class is the way to go and a good example of what PN may consider. However, I am not a big fan of small midgets or UUVs. Maybe because i am an old fighter pilot...

My friend, with all due respect, we don't seem to have a procurement path or precedent to entertain Iran's military products in our country, yet.

Seems like in white paper or discussion or in very early stages, and not concrete. Maybe PN will decide in 3-4 years or longer. Building in Shipyard would make sense. Which sub manufacturers are relevant to PN in your opinion? Which design houses have designs that meet PN's expectations? Yeah...

DG550 seems to be a design evolution with some impressive characteristics. It looks menacing.

yes, my assessment shows that they are the only compact submarine builder that seems to have progress. I can't speak for Drass, but It is possible that DG450's customer wanted the platform no more displayed on websites.

I really like what the Russians are doing...super titanium hulls, very promising features...however, its next to impossible trying to talk to them, or understand them. Their submarine expertise is a black box, and their involvement with the Indians keeps them reluctant. Additionally, they are...

This was a SWATS thread.

I have no idea. UUVs for offensive platforms are at least a decade away for advanced navies, and longer for us.

F6 was my favorite aircraft. My boys have flown both. They like what a J10 or similar could offer.

Its a noteworthy incident, where X-Craft was flooded while at sea due to incorrect use of trash ejector. The crew and the trainees, all trained commandoes, were able to bail out to the surface as the craft took on water and it reached their necks. Attempt to lighten the craft by jettisoning the...

It will eventually. When the contract is signed it will be announced publicly. This is just my personal opinion as I like the aircraft and what it can potentially do.

PAF has operating Chinese engines for a long time. I see this aircraft coming into PAF service in about 5 years.

Good initiatives, but a lot more is required. Till there is consistent policy of build local and Make in Pak, we will have a lots of efforts wasted and decision makers giving in to OPS pressures.

J10B or J10C variant with Chinese engine.

Yes, a little bit of H, and a little bit of R, and a little bit of B, and they wont agree. I love the Mirage. Spent a lot of time in 8th, but for many here who think we can replace them with JFT, i just have a low oxygen chuckle.

Your point 1., Indian sub was detected is exactly my point, hence the CONOPS of SWATS that you dont have to approach from deeper water and you stay in "narrow path" (not narrow at all) where conventional sonar fails to detect anything.

I cannot say specifics till the midgets are in service, but any platform that is not detectable easily and can do multiple tasks is a real threat to Indian SLOCs. Aside from smaller size/echo, shallower waters don't support acoustic propagation. Hence, passive sonar or active sonar does not...

This is an outdated concept that does not fit the littorals. In Littoral waters, due to sound wave propagation, nothing is detectable in shallow water, while in deep water, VDS, Active Sonobuoy, and other means will render a submarine detectable immediately. Case in point, Indian subs detection...

I looked at SMX-26 and I agree, SMX-26 or something in that category is the way to go. Andrasta is a good design. We would need something similar, such as a SWATS which is a bit of both, or a truly synergistic platform to undertake submarine roles and midget roles in one platform.