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For all the others, feel free to give a sliding number, ie 3.5 and give your category too

Okay so then you say that all these sources are in error or mistaken. That feels like a big error to me. Normally, if you have both sides of the aisle reference an event, it probably did happen. One buttressing evidence I would use to show that Zafarullah might indeed have had input into the...

In my mind, we may have gotten of to a bad start due to definitions. @Neelo Let’s put aside what to call such states but in my mind, we could taxonomize states into the following categories:- 1) a state that is not democratic 2) a state that may have aspects of democracy but also...

Like I said, the committee is part of the public discourse. Mentioned in dozens of Urdu sources and in English sources like the Dawn article I quoted which explicitly mentions the committee. So we may not have all the archival material- or the committee might very well me a ML committee. You...

Okay I’ll give it a shot. I’ll summarize what Eqbal Ahmad has written about this prior. The reason that the class of ulema were against the creation of Pakistan was entirely petty and pertained to issues of group struggle- not socio-economic necessarily but of worldviews. On one end, you had...

Thanks for this- this looks like good resource, even if incomplete.

I mean, don’t get me wrong, it’s plausible that he might be right. That there was no committee in the house and that it was only a parliamentary committee of ML. I only mean to say that his quote is neither here nor there. Also please kindly post the link to the archives you referred to. As I...

Provide link here please. All I can find that might be relevant is the national archives but nothing digitized there. Okay cool story people can refer to the Dr Phil theses link to see what I referenced too. Include link here. I doubt that the link you share has all the committees and...

Okay for those interested, they will go take a look at what is written in the quoted gentleman’s Dr Phil thesis. And will see what is written. Let’s leave it at that. Do you have archival access to all the CAP sessions? If you do, post it here. If you don’t then don’t make these claims without...

Are you going to reply to only a para of my previous post? Are you going to bury the reference to the Dawn article that the clearly secular and liberal biases Dr Phil uses? Yalla, well let people decide. And suffice it to say, from my timeline:- Dawn article-...

I agree with this- I think Pakistan is a terrible example of an Islamic state or a state based on Islamic principles. The amount of corruption, whether it be financial, moral or intellectual, is quite frankly staggering. So yeah being a functional state, with even common sense principles, like...

Bro what is your deal- I really want to know. Do you come here just to troll- are you a libertarian, I thought you were JI for a long time but doesn’t seem like it.

We could probably fish out a primary source if someone has enough motivation to dig through the archives of the CAP sessions. Anyways, we don’t have to do that to prove it because like I said, in my timeline I have attached prior to this, I included a source from a secular liberal type to prove...

I’ll ignore the slights - at no point on our interactions have I gotten the impression that your English is any better than mine. But I don’t really see the world as through the normal liberal Pakistani lens that English and white is right. But my English is not deficient anyways. Yes and I...

Let’s keep track of the claims that you made earlier. It will help structure the points you make and the replies to them too. Resources you used in this reply is very neutral and speeches in the CAP on the objectives resolution post Jinnahs death...

That’s a bit of a stretch. Deobandism as a movement has a pretty large range especially in earlier period. You make a few claims here so I’ll ask for proofs- not necessarily because I claim you are wrong but because this will move this convo forward and there is always a context for things…...

Everyone declared everyone else to be a kafir man. To the point here though, I don’t think Jinnah would have been okay with the way we discriminate against Qadiyanis. Yah sure, declare them non-Muslim but then you ought to treat them like the other minorities that we have in the country. Ofc...

Jinnah disapproved of a theocratic state- one where mullahs would run the country. He never disapproved of an Islamic state or a state with Islamic principles. It is up to you to reconcile the fact that in the entire history of Pakistan, we have had only one shaykh Al Islam- and that too under...

I agree with you lol, don’t get so despondent- I already answered you. I don’t share PII on the internet with weirdos.

The summary is all narrative with very little fact. The claims are dubious- that Jinnah never said he wanted an Islamic state? But in the Jinnah reader we have him saying that he envisions Pakistan as a democratic republic with Islamic principles. Then we have other tidbits of history- him...