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There is a different pdf attached to post #4 that is the pac bill. I wanted to attach the pdf in post #184 to post #3 as that is ideally where it should be.

@Jango , I was trying to edit the 3rd post of mine in this thread and attach the letter as an update to that post- but I seem unable to do so. Can you please help me attach the pdf file above to the 3rd post so that readers that read this thread will have access to the digital copy on the third...

Here is the letter from the archives- it is exactly reproduced properly by Dr Siddiqa and Dr Ishtiaq. I reproduce it after obtaining the rights to do so- but it is still copyrighted belonging to Kews Garden Archives. If one wants to use this elsewhere, they will have to cite this post- unless I...

Trust me, I already consider the conversation finished. You are clearly a waster of my precious time. I will post the letter here fully for the regular readers. After I resolve the small case of obtaining digital rights to do so. Waiting on that.

The reason why the Muslim world or the Islamic civilization lost to the western one is not because of any reasons offered by orientalists. The reason they succeeded was the same reason that IK is losing in Pakistan. Idealism by itself cannot defeat brute pragmatism. The reason the Europeans...

Second that Ayesha Jalal approves of YLH is of no consequence/ it does not make him an expert on anything. Even if he was an expert on the Jinnah letters, that would be irrelevant as this isn’t from the Jinnah letters. This is from a spy who was intercepting communication between Jinnah and...

I am actually happy that you posted this- was waiting for you to say so indeed! Because now that you have done so, you are exposed to the readers here. What the lot of you have done here is nothing but gaslight without reason or intelligence. One of four things is true in this case:- 1) Ayesha...

@Joe Shearer You guys can proceed with verification no doubt. However, as far as providing evidence, what I have provided is more than enough. It is in the same league, like I said, of anyone else, citing any other archival material, for example the Jinnah papers. So for example, if one was...

This back and forth I rate very lowly. But yes, on the singular point of which Ayesha, yes indeed, it is Ayesha Siddiqa.

This should be discussed seperately.

I have no problems with comprehension. I don’t have the inclination to gaslight either. You on the other hand seen to have abundance in both of these issues. Regarding archives being discovered 70 years after and event, it is you once again who is ignorant on the laws surrounding sensitive...

The issue for me is not in procuring the copy and verifying it ourselves. I think that’s a great idea and suggested it in post#3. It’s the gaslighting here. Insisting that Jalal and Ishtiaq are referring to a letter in the Jinnah Papers. Which has a different date, content and words. Then...

Nothing is missing. I have linked the exact document file in the archives on the national British archives page on post # 3. You can pay $10 for the document kind sir. Just setup an account on the link I already included in post # 3. That’s the cost of an Uber ride. There is no need to doubt...

This is an absurd standard to hold. If you hold this standard, then nothing that we quote of Jinnah has been seen by any of us. They are all stored in some mismanaged archives in Pakistan somewhere. Probably only seen by a handful of people that you can provide first hand evidence of. I could...

Or gaslit needlessly, as everyone can see. The reason for you desperately questioning the letter’s authenticity has nothing to do with its actual countenance and more to do with the biases in your world view. By all means, I hope that some kind Pakistani British gentleman can visit the archive...

I quoted Professor Leonard Binder in the beginning too. He has all the relevant information in his blurb. Anyhow, I think we are disagreed upon the first hand testimony of three separate individuals to establish the existence of a body. And Professor Binders recalling of the event too. The...

Regardless, we are definitely disagreed on their importance. Certainly, the breakaway faction was extremely important in NWFP vote and so were other pirs and local sufis like Pir of Manki. But anyways, let’s save that for a separate thread.

I was planning to discuss these topics on other threads attached to this main one.

So you are reiterating exactly what I said. The letter I quote is not in the Jinnah papers but it is in the British archives. Thank you for confirming that the letter in the British archives is not in the Jinnah papers which is a point against what YLH wrote. Again only proves the point that...

Mr Yasir Latif Hamdani says “Then the “Jinnah was not secular” camp speaks of Jinnah’s correspondence with Hassan Al Banna. The letter that Jinnah wrote – in response to Banna’s letter- is in the Jinnah Papers. It merely says that Jinnah could not associate himself with an organisation Banna...