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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    F35s for $90 million a piece is a good deal - even without ToT!! You're somewhat right about the production backlog - but may not be 15 years though. Not every NATO country will be that eager to retire their old jets and spend on new jets - most NATO countries are stingy and don't spend much on...
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    Beyond the initial exploration, India hasn't put in any money or effort into the project - if that doesn't mean pulling out, what else does?? If Russia were to come around and accept Indian requirements/conditions things could change - but as is it's a no-go. Russia did come around every now and...
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    Well, Indians didn't really waste billions on it. The Russian con was realized years ago and India pulled out of the project - a loss of $290 million!!!
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    Another important development that no defense analyst or reporter has picked up on, which could have significant impact on India, is that US-Israel defense deal (more correctly aid package) signed few months back!! ' US has pledged around $40 billion for Israel's defense for the next several...
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    Huh?? Talking about friendship and sharing is immature?? Where does jihad and beheading innocents fall on your scale of maturity?? In international parlance 'friendly country' is not one that you go skinny dipping with, it just a country that doesn't intend to destroy you and further shares...
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    Do you know what friends mean?? Friendly countries share product development work! Even US doesn't design all its components by itself!!! Israel, Sweden, France, Russia etc. are more than happy to share and work together with India!!!
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    Yep. And India had chosen to get out.....Russians haven't given up on trying to persuade though. Putin himself came to India and personally announced that he's trying to move the needle on this!! What can the Indians do?? Shut him up??
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    Now you get why India was unwilling to part with $25 billion!!! Even though Russia was trying to convince India that PAKFA is an all new revolutionary aircraft!!!
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    That's a possibility. But Indian aspirations are its aspirations - thinks its up to the job! As I said, the workshare was an issue, but the bigger issue was Russia taking $4 billion in development money and really not doing any major improvements - PAKFA is essentially a touch up work on the...
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    Russia and China have been close for a loooooong time. Much of the China's defence technologies actually come from Russia - let me correct that...they don't come, but China has stolen them from Russia. Russia hates that, but can do little as China has become a big economy. Russia likes the...
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    Not really!!! Several countries are more than happy to share and work together!! For several countries/companies they'd rather have 50% of a big market rather than 100% of zero (and then wind down)!!
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    That's again old school thinking that India is only good at software. Over the last 10 years, India has had significant and simultaneous successes in several areas of defense. Aeronautics and avionics is one area where a lot of progress has been made. If India was willing to spend $25 billion on...
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    There's no problem!! These things take time to settle. Russia has been coaxing India for several years on the deal. India is studying it - no big hurry!! Even if India wants F-35s the deal and the delivery (after USAFs needs are met) would take 6-7 years anyways!!! Sure. It will be a harder and...
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    Good enough at what price?? Everything is good/great for a specific price! Russia is touting PAKFA as a 5th gen fighter and charging $hit load of $$$ - India thinks it's not worth the price! Overall, there is a 'Russian fatigue' in India. Russia generally gouged a lot of money from India giving...
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    Actually India can easily afford F-35s who's price has fallen pretty drastically. In fact it would be cheaper than PAKFA/FGFA!!!
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    India thinks it's not good. The engines don't allow super-cruise; stealth is not perfect (as they just touched up an old airframe without creating a stealth airframe from bottom-up). India doesn't feel its worth the money!!
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    Russia gives a cold shoulder to India for the 5th generation fighter

    This article is complete BS, as it is written. It's not Russia not wanting to make the deal with India, but the other way round. Russia has been too eager for India to sign the deal for several years now. However, India didn't regard Russia's 5th Gen aircraft (PAKFA) as good enough and wanted a...
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    HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions-[Thread 2]

    Mk1's geometry doesn't completely conform with the aerodynamic laws and as such produces a lot of drag!! And Mk1 is also not capable of producing significant lift at low speeds (a requirement for carrier based fighters anywhere). Yes, NLCA is intentionally designed to produce more vortices at...
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    ‘We back indigenisation, but Tejas didn’t fit the bill’

    LOL!!!! Chucky boy wasn't just your coach/trainer, but actually an 'affected party' (whose own a$$ got kicked!!). Third party?? ROFL!!! Why don't you just crawl back under the rock and let grown ups do their job. Kaveri is very much alive - and several derivatives are coming up!!! ROFL...
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    ‘We back indigenisation, but Tejas didn’t fit the bill’

    You must be a knucklehead to believe that he actually went and counted every single wreckage!! Chuck Yeagar's own plane was shot down - I bet he just flapped his own hands and flew after that (of course the man's a legend so it must be possible for him)!!! You must be dyslexic that you don't...
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