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Sensible man... thumbs up to you!!!

I can agree with most of what you are saying... however I should remind you that Imam Ali managed to convince 2000 Kharajis thru dialogue... We have never had any serious attempt towards dialogue (while guess what our enemies ARE engaging with them in dialogue)... and the reason why we cant talk...

Dear Guest01 (were you recently banned from here?) Since you have nt read anything on Islam (obviously) I dont think I ll waste my time with you... As for plans and agendas... i have personally quoted numerous books and blueprints for the future on the forum... Pakistan can be a superpower if...

Sir... that is nt very surprising actually... There is a term for it... Its called "the Network of Raymond Davisis in Pakistan"

I can agree with the part that Baluchs should administer their own land and the resources should be provided to the local areas (before cough cough ermmm for example PUNJAB... cough cough) BUT any talk of separating from the rest of Pakistan and I give you my personal declaration of war over it...

You need to read more carefully then... Not only have the liberal fascists attacked Islam here by linking it to dark ages but they are also calling for more drone strikes... As I said... the extremes of these two ideas... terrorism in the name of Islam and fascism in the name of liberalism...

I can agree that his support of some dodgy people/organizations has been wrong... but he is human and I would nt ascribe malice to him... I ascribe malice to Musharaf though... If you want Islamic economics in Pakistan then for the love of God, you are NOT a secularist... You are a threat to...

They are not afraid of these P3s... they are worried about Pakistan as a whole, their strategy very clearly involves weakening Pakistan.. to defang an ally before they leave Afghanistan so to speak... I think the people in the Pak Military are fully aware of this policy... This was obvious when...

T Faz... Nimaz tak he agar Islam ko rakha to phir Islamic Economic system ka kya karo gay?? ok back to topic... folks... Uncle Hameed Gul has written that this operation was backed by the US... I can proudly say that I said this much before he did... This operation has India and America...

anyway guys... i think we are deviating slightly from the topic... we can continue our discussion on secularism/islam some other time... back to topic...

speak when spoken to Indian... the one I m talking to understood what I was saying here... Drone strikes are one of the fundamental reasons why militants are gaining support against Pak Army... its as black and white as anything can ever become...

As for the MMA... Musharaf used them to stay in power... I think MMA and groups such as them are even worst than groups that do not identify with Islam such as PPP or PML... because the other parties dont use the name of Islam for their dirty games in politics... and as far as saying is...

Said this?? What does saying has to do with anything... He said a lot of things... does nt make him an Islamist either my friend... You seem very confused about this subject... Secularism my dear is the separation of state from religion... Musharaf did everything in his power to keep religion...

Inalilahe wa ina ilahe rajioon

Well i ll only respond to your war mongering here... becoming the devil's advocate so to speak... The only way to finish off the anti Islamic Secularist scum section of Pakistan (such as yourself... since you mention the Khilafat lovers to be legitimate targets of these drone attacks) is to...

Nahi Bhai meray... Zardari and Musharaf are secularists... they never implemented anything from Islam in Pakistan... anyway... I edited my previous post there... the first post was written in a hurry... If they have killed 35 000 people, we have also killed many innocent people by allowing...

Sadly its the favorite pastime of some of our dear members here... You forgot another favorite mantra of theirs... Zia Zia Zia...

well since you dont even understand secularism, I dont think I should respond to your post... if Zardari and Musharaf are Islamists according to you, then the only thing I can do is laugh... haha and yes... be my guest... let us continue the aggression against these "Islamists" and cause...

Make up your mind... Do you support drone strikes or not? If you do... well you are supporting killing of many innocent people... Oh and I met Obama yesterday... He had the same stupid smile he always has... the fool

This is rubbish analysis as usual T Faz... In reality why we are in such a mess is because the secularists are trying to control Islam by harsh measures... This is now being used by anti state forces... our enemies are telling those who have been wronged all their lives by these secularist...