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Because compared to the PN, PAF is in a much better position against India?

Yes of course, separatist movements in the north-east and the Maoist insurgency are still present. But they are declining for various reasons. I'm pointing out to the fact that the Kashmir insurgency is showing no such sign. High handedness of the Indian state is definitely present, but this has...

We dislike some of the methods adopted by Pakistan. Hence i had said in my previous post 'I'm not saying that the present dispensation is very kind on Muslims.' You keep telling about how the BJP led by NaMo has brainwashed Hindus. BJP has come to power despite economic slowdown. In your land...

Stone pelting started in significant amounts during Dr. Manmohan Singh's tenure. At that time security agencies had sounded the alarm about disenchantment and increased radicalisation amongst a section of Kashmiri youth. I'm not saying that the present dispensation is very kind on Muslims...

No need to save face from the public when the narrative here is than of no MKI but an F-16, unless you are referring to the armed forces if they desire a comeback. Plausible, but not soon as our economy is not in the pink of health.

I disagree with your statement that only India makes unsubstantiated claims with inadequate evidence. DG ISPR has not done any better. Maj. Gen. Ghafoor has only claimed about MKI and has not offered any worthwhile proof. This lack of proof has not stopped him from repeating claims about downing...

The same is also true for the MKI claim. All of us just desire a certain version to be true, proof must be laughing.

I am not countering your valid points, merely saying that the counter-arguments are not easy to dismiss until definitive proof is presented - and this is valid for both sides.

It seems that F-16B can be operated by a single pilot unless the mission profile specifically needs two pilots. We do not have concrete proof that on 27th the above 606 had one or two pilots, and who the 2nd guy is.

How does one determine if an aircraft is about to fire a missile? Positioning of the aircraft vis-a-vis the intended target?

And this is all the proof that we are going to get - claims and counterclaims from either side. At the moment there's nothing more to ask from my side. Regards.

To my knowledge, the Pentagon or any worthwhile official source has not independently confirmed the F-16 count, please point it to me if i am mistaken. I did not understand why you had go get irritated if i follow Indian forums. At the moment PDF and a couple of Indian forums are somewhat...

At the end of the day, all we have is the belief we have on our respective armed forces (and sources), and a bunch of circumstantial evidences. If downing of the MKI is true then the physical evidence of the same is missing. If we can supposedly hide an entire aircraft as well as any tell-tale...

As per your info and understanding, if the Mig-21 had not tried to engage with an intent to bring an aircraft down, would the PAF have fired against IAF aircraft?

If this be the case with IAF, how is the same avoided by the best western air-forces - is it that for those AFs only the truely passionate apply for those jobs?

Does this mean that the claim that MKIs could not achieve radar locks are false?

I suppose you mean that if IAF goes all out against PAF, IAF will not even achieve a modicum of success. Taking this further, this should extend to all branches of the Indian armed forces against the Pakistani counterpart. This makes sense. This is the most important reason why PA has agreed to...

Well, as per reports PAF aircraft did not enter physically enter Indian airspace, they sent H4s from your side of the border. IAF Mig-21 entered your airspace. We need to understand that all of us claim certain things - the threat of being able to carry out that claim with impunity is another...

The battle was too localised and hence gives PAF enough opportunity to achieve local superiority - this is a no-brainer. What is important is the desire and/or compulsions to achieve this effect, and the consequent implications of this desire. For the short term effect one must appreciate PAF...

While I don't appreciate the title of the thread and the thought process behind framing the title, the statement by Modi is indeed stupid. It shows Modi's megalomania and insecurity.