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anyone have any idea what the 'Alutsista Strategis Luar Negeri untuk Pertahanan Laut Natuna' might be?

Um no, circumventing literally means going around an obstacle, what I meant is this IMO, the 4 Flankers were more of a diplomatic tool and was only there to augment the existing workhorses at the time and buying them isn't circumventing the problem, it was just avoiding the problem altogether...

Of course its true and real, thats the whole point of an embargo. But did they do it out of nothing? no. Did we also manage to circumvent it? yes.

I heard the 33 F-16C/D's might go straight to Viper upgrades instead of eMLU, the projected $4.5 billion for the F-16V is said to also include upgrade of existing F-16C/D, can anyone confirm?

You need the F-16V's for the learning curve, the TNI-AU has only operated 4th gen jets like Su-27/30 and F-16C/D, going to straight to the F-35 is a huge technological leap that the TNI-AU is not ready for. The F-16V as a 4.5 gen fighter provides a stepping stone for the TNI-AU to operate 5th...

Indonesia's prospect of operating F-35's already dates back to 2008, getting F-16V's/operating latest F-16's is preliminary step to operating F-35's. Most of the F-35 operators are currently part of the JSF program or are already operating the latest F-16's.

In 2019 we've had more exercises with the US than most countries in the region other than the Philippines, Australia and Japan, we even had more military exercises with the US than that of Singapore who people perceive as a US ally even though officially they're not.

Might be because its basically a combat capable PKR but with additional training suites and facilities. If I remember correctly our previous training ship, the KRI Ki Hajar Dewantara-364 was also a combat capable surface combatant at its time but it had additional training facilities, so...

Happy Independence Day everyone!

Yes its achievable with French and EU hardware but not quite, its not the cheapest or the most effective solution, I think I pointed out a few posts before how France is a decent partner when it comes getting offsets and how other than Russia, they're one of the few nations that can provide us...

+ France being the only other country that can provide actual diversification

I've asked about this a long before, it doesn't make sense though. If its true, then how did Pakistan use their AIM-120C-5 against the Indians during their 2019 skirmish? Did Washington really risked their relations with India just so Pakistan can have a go at the Indians? Did the Pakistanis...

Happy Eid everyone

Isn't the $4-6 billion in the expected F-16V deal also include upgrade of our current F-16C/D to F-16V? Looking at other countries that acquired F-16V, it make sense though

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If I can tell you anything, we had more than 2 F-16's operational at the time just sayin'. Yea the embargo did effect us a bit but not to the point where only had 2, the bigger reason why we had low readiness and availability was this I don't remember anyone saying we had only 2 F-16's...

That's literally what me and I think a lot of people here suggest, basically the F-35 isn't a wet dream like most people would assume, sooner or later you're going to want/need to upgrade to keep up with the times, as an F-16 operator the F-35 is the most logical choice. But you would need to...

Yea it's not, but should that limits us to not buying F-35's? Not really, since we're not going to be the ones making or developing them for the F-35 at least, we simply just maintain them. Like I said before F-35 is inevitable, it is the natural upgrade path for most F-16 operators and...

The current trend is having a heavy payload twin-engine 4.5 gen fighter supporting a 5th gen VLO fighter with way better sensors and avionics. You'd have the 5th gen with their VLO capability scouting for targets and operating within contested environments while the 4.5 gen heavy jets can...

I wouldn't really be as confident about this if I were you, stealth coating isn't easy