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In general, do you agree with the Muslim secularization? ---------- Post added at 07:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:20 AM ---------- Developereo, do you have any idea about the secularization of Muslims?

Muslim world is always a close-knit community's mentality than other religions, Muslim, always a social form, if as a society will accept a new system, it will have a system debugging problem.

Right, but why? Why it will happen in Iran and Turkey? Because those scholars who have good genes, while other countries do not?

A proposal in good faith, friends, look at the history of China (1840-1949), take a look at how we spend the abyss, we are in what a kind of suffering, you will find that it really is not a religion, but adaptability, the Chinese civilization is how to adapt to the industrial era.

Although it is true and important, but it is not key point, friend. Iran and Turkey have many scholars, and why they succeeded to skip this trap? Key lies in the reasons , why they can develop the technology and education, because their leaders are wise, other leaders of Muslim nations all...

Although the Muslim member is good, I also want to see some point of view of members of the Turkish and Iran. Please share your point of view, thank you.

Do you have any evidence to explain your point of view, Americans?

Iran and Turkey are two different testing method, the closest way for the Muslim world in the industrial era. The way they are different and interesting, I caught some things today.

If Islam is just an idea, then it is simple enough, but Islam is a society, a society in many aspects, including academics, but academics is only one point. A social have a problem, it certainly happened problem in a or some parts of society, but, I mean that if a society as a whole, can not...

Developereo,since you are here, I was able to have a special name? What about your point of view?

How to say? In our view, in fact, Islam has all the advantages of combination from other religions, but it only occurred in the agricultural era, industrial era, it means too much different, in my opinion, no responsibility, thank you, the Muslim world is still not suited to the era of...

Sir, I accepted it. ---------- Post added at 05:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:39 AM ---------- I also accepted it. Very classic two points of view for you and what.

There is no any other Turkish members have any thoughts on this article?

Agree, but, sir, you can make a definition in what is "secular" of Muslim? I changed the problem, a secular country for Muslims, what it is? Sorry, I expect you to come back.

JSTOR: Middle East Journal, Vol. 1, No. 3 (Jul., 1947), pp. 270-280 Found, but not good enough, you know my English is not good enough. :cry:

for more, sir, a question, you think that what is "secular" of Muslim? ---------- Post added at 04:34 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:33 AM ---------- Very sorry, I think Muslim friends should go look at the history of China, my feeling is more intense now.

As a ritual, as a Chinese, needs to respond, a short view. As the only and the best two way for Muslims in the industrial era, Iran and Turkey, the way of Turkey's approach is unstable than Iran, the way of iran's approach , although it is more stable, but the crisis in the country vitality...

Really good article, it really help some of my ideas, although some of the points I do not agree, but in general I agree with you most of the points, although it has some other things more interesting. ---------- Post added at 04:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:14 AM ---------- I...

^^ no more ? I misunderstood, I thought it was a reference, I am sorry. ---------- Post added at 03:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:44 AM ---------- In fact, sir, your point of view is right(now), or it may be wrong(future), only time will tell, which is a natural course of...

Zulkarneyn, sir, I can ask your point of view on this article? Or any other Turkish members?