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External threats in no long time, only if you survive, then Iran can develop.

I said, China does not have a perfect record, but the closest to perfect. 7 times of large-scale ocean, only one or two exceptions, compared to European settlers how to treat Africans, three use of force, it is a true angel, even if It is not perfect.

My point of view, Iran and Turkey is the closest to success, for a Muslim society to adapt to industrialization, but that is only the "nearest" is still not entirely successful.

Please explain, I was able to know the reasons for your evaluation in Iran? In fact, I have a better evaluation in Iran than Turkey, for some reason.Their comparison is interesting, so I want to know more of your ideas in Iran.

Do not need to worry too much, I think, as I said, secularization, this is a false name, it's real name is industrialization. Your reform is radical, cutting like a surgery, it is the strongest effect in a short period of time to promote Muslim societies industrialize, but still, this resistance...

Yes, this is a rebound, it is interesting, you know have a strong secular forces in Turkey, a long-term secular society, there is no external threat, but it still has a rebound, which makes sensesufficient interest in either Turkey or Iran, I think they are very valuable for the Muslim adaptability.

Yes, I focus on the secularization, but I prefer to call it industrialization or modernization . I do not value one word about the secularization, I value its value, it can provide an impetus for Muslims to adapt to ndustrialization, it can balance the traditional thinking ( traditional thinking...

Frankly, I think the idea of Islam there are some problems, but it is not so important, because if the Muslims to adapt to a new era, then the thinking will not be a big problem, as Christian.

It is good to hear some things. Although there are other issues. Chinese government to encourage parents to accept the modern scientific knowledge, from elementary school to junior high school, it is already exempt from tuition fees, but the Chinese government does not force you, even...

I am very familiar with the idea for you, it is almost a copy (at least in part) for us in the past times.

I said, from our point of view, Islam has some advantages compared to other religions, even Islam is a combination of the advantages from other religions, but the advantages of the agricultural age, and not necessarily mean you will have the advantage in the industrial age, even if the advantage...

In fact, a friend of Saudi Arabia has a good description, in the past, bow and arrow is the key weapons in the desert war, but today, fighters like bows and arrows of the value, but, in the agricultural age, a child only needs two hours to learn the bow and arrow, he can spend six hours to learn...

This is a good description, as I said, in general not Islam thinking, but Muslims as a community, he is not suited to a new system, as you say, Islam encourages Muslims to learn scienceculture, it is no problem in thinking,but Muslims as a community, how to accept this idea——"Islam...

Do not need to apologize, friend, I also have the same feeling, language is a big problem for the exchange. ---------- Post added at 10:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:44 AM ---------- I agree, but it does not change the fact that Muslim countries have lagged far behind other...

Maybe you misunderstood, I have not blamed for Muslims, as you said, some separatist does not limit in the Muslim. I didn't take the blame here. It is a rare opportunity to do an exchange, so I share my point of view, maybe he is not good enough, but at least it's some real thoughts from a chinese.

HUI is a national, friend . HUI is not a person, but China 's largest Muslim nation.

Chinese civilization is a nation, we are one, we are a big ship, so we want to accept the new system, it is very complicated and painful. But Muslim civilization is not a country, so some countries quickly make some adjustments than in other countries such as Turkey and Iran, Pakistan. (...

Secularization, it is vague, in fact, industrialization and modernization is a clearer idea.

Another problem, in fact, that there is a big discussion about Islam in Chinese BBS, intense and long-term, I remember a member of the HUI, once issued a post, she is a wife of Hui, she said her husband see these discussionsis ,also worried about Islam and the HUI, she told us one thing. One...

It is really very similar experiences, especially the agitation in the ideological field, you Muslim civilization and we chinese civilization. And we can even more miserable than you, we almost have been broken in all respects, because - CCP, we come back. Frankly, look at the point of view of...