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  1. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    This is hypocrite to the core. I support 2 states solution proposed by UN, as it is based on Humanity and equal human right for independence (UN Charter), and recognize some Israel wrongdoing. Meanwhile you guys support idea of "getting rid Israel from middle east", and pushing that Palestine...
  2. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    What do you mean those are not key word? Can't you read those key word on the paragraph? or it is your habit again ignoring word that doesnt fit you? :D Yes I am neutral, thats why I said: both parties are NOT innocent, Israel commit wrong things too. But you are heavily pro Hamas pushing Hamas...
  3. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Since when preventing non citizen cross border = oppressing? So you mean if US build wall to prevent Mexican cross border US is doing oppression? LOL. what a logic :laugh: Your mindset is already consumed with Hamas propaganda. Your statements is not based on reality/fact anymore. LOL. Why...
  4. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Really? Then what is this supposed to mean? The analogy has been debated by scholars and lawyers,[12] United Nations investigators,[13] the African National Congress (ANC),[14] human rights groups[15][16] and by several Israeli former politicians Delusion detected. LOL. :lol:
  5. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Key word: "by Israeli settlers", "Occupied Palestinian Territory". In what way my own source thrown my whole argument? My argument is clear: This is about condemming war activity by both parties, and condemning incitement by some Israel settlers (not army) in "Occupied Palestinian territory...
  6. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Your habit ... always only see what you want to see and ignore the others (selective reading & bias) :D Why dont you read this part of the citation you bring: The analogy has been debated by scholars and lawyers,[12] United Nations investigators,[13] the African National Congress (ANC),[14]...
  7. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    No! the barriers separate Palestine area from Israel Area. You really has no clue about what you are talking about, most of your talking so far is full of myth, dissinformation, and missunderstanding based on Hamas propaganda. We have discussed, and you always failed in supporting your claim...
  8. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Israel built barrier to protect their citizen from intifada attack, suicide bomber attack, and any other kind of terrorism that had happened frequently there before the barrier was built, and it prove to be effective in protecting their citizens from the terrorism attack. Although it is against...
  9. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    LOL. In fact you always missunderstood by point. I've told you, you need to be able to distinguish between: "sovereign state" vs "people/habitant". During 1917 to 1947, the sovereign state over the Palestine regions is obviously British, and the people/habitants were Arab Palestinian and...
  10. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    I have been asking you evidence regarding "Israel continuing ethnic cleansing" from weeks ago, but instead of giving it, you continuing your accusation. Learn history, and always bring evidence with your accusation. Otherwise what you can do is only slender. Where is the evidence? I am waiting.
  11. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    You always bring either Palestine propaganda/rhetoric, or pallywood instead of evidence/objective history :laugh: This is the content of UN resolution 73/98 This is about condeming war activity by both parties, and condemning incitement by some Israel settlers (not army) in "Occupied...
  12. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Then tell me, which part of the citation saying the land belong to Arabs Palestine and Zionist settle there after the holocaust? I gave you alot, not only from wikipedia, but also from UN, and Amnesty International. Why always cerry picking? :lol: Wikipedia is just like encyclopedia resume...
  13. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Which part of the Canadian govt's statement saying it is apartheid? Besides, you can't cherry picking someone/one govt's statement that support you while ignoring other. Canada is supporting peace and humanity, and as I said Israel may did some violations too, but not as much as Hamas/Arab...
  14. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    I gave you tons citation. If you fail to understand it, not my fault. Of course, because UN see both Jews and Arabs as the same human with the same right. UN will never support your view to get rid Jews or any other ethnic out of the land, because it is against human right. While you only see...
  15. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Which part of the citation saying the land belong to Arabs Palestine and Zionist settle there after the holocaust? LOL. You always fail to see fact/historical fact, because you only see what you want to see (Hamas' twisted fact /propaganda).
  16. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    You are the one with double standard. From start I've told you I support 2 state nations. The reason why UN propose partition land is because UN considering existing both Jewish Palestine and Arab Palestine aspiration to have their own country. But you insist that the land only belong to Arab...
  17. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    De facto: Arab people only has sovereignty over Palestine region during Caliphate. Please check history. Indonesian are native on Indonesian land, meanwhile Arab palestine are not native - they came to Judea from Arab kingdoms during Ottoman, the native ones is Jews although Jews were minority...
  18. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    History of the two-state solution The first proposal for the creation of Jewish and Arab states in the British Mandate of Palestine was made in the Peel Commission report of 1937, with the Mandate continuing to cover only a small area containing Jerusalem. The recommended partition proposal was...
  19. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Where do you learn history? Israel never rejected 2 state solution. It was Arab nations and Palestine that rejected, now it is Hamas that is rejecting. Show me if I am wrong :)
  20. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    I presented historical evidence and legal evidence (UN plan and Oslo Accord); the video I presented just to explain more comprehensively, not the evidence itself. While you did not present evidence yet, just allegations, accusations, and hamas propaganda. As I said, Israel may did atrocities...
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