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  1. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    You can say any hypothesis or suspicion or accusation regarding Israel motive to attack, but as long as Hamas keep attacking Israel especially civilian, then you can't complain if Israel attack back all Hamas facilities which unfortunately are located on purpose in civilian facilities. How come...
  2. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Which occupied territory that you mean? For sure all Israel sovereignity land + west bank occupied region C is legal and recognized by UN. Just show me evidence Palestinian State law for the punishing suspected traitors with "dead penalty" without trial. Even this kind of law (if exist)...
  3. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    LOL. If so then UN should have already criticized NYPost vehemently for such twisting UN report. Just show me evidence. Yes, it is due to Hamas (terrorism organization) took control over Gaza; but even if upon Israel approval, Hamas can play as civilian to pass the gate checking; besides they...
  4. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Those all lies. Hamas intention is as following: The original Charter identified Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and declares its members to be Muslims who "fear God and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors." The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews...
  5. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    LOL. You critizise Indian news report regarding Hamas-Israel conflict, but use Aljazeera again :laugh: Aljazeera will always side with Arab/Palestine interest The original Al Jazeera channel was launched 1 November 1996 by an emiri decree with a loan of 500 million Qatari riyals (US$137...
  6. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Who said nobody buys that? you dont buy that, many other buys. Since when UN Report is Israel propaganda? you are double standard, when UN condemn Israel you hail world condemn Israel, when UN says Hamas human shield you say UN as Israel propaganda agency. LOL Read again this UN Report, they...
  7. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    But is there such a law in Palestine State? show me. Besides, they deserve trial first and have right to defend themself against such prosecution. If they did not go through such procedure, then what Hamas did is lawless and against human right. Who said UN did not care with land stealing...
  8. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Israel occupation is legal, based on UN Partition Land + Oslo Accord (west bank). So no excuse for violence from Palestine side.
  9. antonius123

    China's new Ion thrusters

    They have leapfrog South Korea and Japan in terms of technology. Just a matter of old paradigm or invalid perception or even ignorance, because China progress so fast, much faster than american people can realize/discern :)
  10. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Whatever reason you explain to justify Hamas killing Palestinian civilians, it violate humanity. No, there is no evidence Israel kill their own people for being alleged to cooperate with enemy. The article already explain. If Hamas did not use human shield by hiding in civilian facilities...
  11. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Explain which UN report that you mean, and how I twisted it. It seems you are in denial :) LOL. So you are saying Hamas members cannot travel? :laugh:
  12. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    So? The 150 people injured is because of clash between Palestinian in the mosque and Israel force. That is just your assumption/accusation. No evidence. I have given evidence that Hamas attack Israel first above. LOL. You are contradicting yourself. Above you admit the news now you deny it...
  13. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    No worries. Take your time, we will discuss slowly; the most important things is fact and citation. :)
  14. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Why so ignorant ignoring all my post? Please look @my post : #54 #131 I never deny Israel attacked worshippers in Al Aqsa. When did I deny? I am asking you, why did Israel soldier raid Al Aqsa, if not because of being provocated by Hamas? You didn't answer this, but keep denying. You are in...
  15. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    I have shown you UN reports and Amnesty International reports regarding Hamas war crimes, if you are still denial, then you are person in denial. And you mix things, just like Hamas like to throw mixed things to disinforms. You dragged Canadian statement related to the UN Resolution 73 98, then...
  16. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    He is pro Israel radically, not pro Humanity. Why wonder? :rolleyes1: :wacko: Look at @mypost #121; both pro Hamas and pro Israel radically is not pro Humanity. :)
  17. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Nope. What do you expect me to say? This could happen. They are in war, sabotaging could be conducted by 2 sides 2 ways. Using human shield, terrorizing their own people, and attacking civilian is the most moral army...
  18. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    As I said: I dont deny any violance/crime done by Israel side (government and settlers/residents). Do you want to deny that Palestine/Hamas side did violence, destruction, harassment, provocation and incitement? Israel settlers is civilian, so it was civilian against civilian, while Hamas is...
  19. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Zionist control world media (debatable) doesnt mean Hamas doesn't do propaganda. I bring you historical evidence that you can check yourself, not media narration or political jargon; you bring so. I will answer based on law and humanity, Based on Law (UN Resolutions and Accords), and humanity...
  20. antonius123

    Indonesia Leaders : We Stand With The People of Palestine

    Who I am is not much important, but how I argue is much more important :enjoy: Btw, the video you brought is showing the view of PRO ISRAEL. Again, I am here arguing not as PRO ISRAEL, but as NEUTRAL guy :) I am seeing more through Humanity optics; you are here seeing through Hamas' optic...
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