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Was just skimming this thread and its devolved quite a bit. A few points. In Vedic literature (especially the Rig Veda) Aryans distinguish themselves from non-Aryans by using appeals to both culture and race. So non-Aryans (basically the native Indians) are described as Mlecchas both due to...

Ethnically Pakistani (half Punjabi, half Muhajir), born and raised in America. I don't know what "brand India" is, if I go back and forth between using India or South-Asia its probably random.

Urdu and Hindi are the same language, there's no debate about this. Very slight differences as Urdu has more loanwords from Farsi and Hindi from Sanskrit, but they are 95% the same. I'm American with Pakistani roots interested in South Asian history, linguistics, and culture.

Urdu is classified as a Hindustani language, mutually intelligible with Hindi. It has some loanwords from Farsi and Arabic, but the vast majority of its vocabulary and syntax is Central Indo-Aryan.

There's debate about what makes one language separate from another. Personally I place mutual intelligibility as the deciding factor, with vocabulary as second. Though depending on the languages being compared, vocabulary and syntax can have different impacts of the intelligibility between...

Correct, most of the Punjabi Dalits are in Indian Punjab/Haryana, though there are also many in Pakistani Punjab. I'll try and work on it. Maybe for my next chart where I'll show other ethnicities of South-Asia alongside Punjabis. I'll address any specific questions or concerns you have.

New post with a visual on the Indo Aryan Languages of South Asia. Sources include census results and previous linguistic maps of the region. I'm also linking my full post below where I go into more discussion and detail. Questions and comments welcome!

Hey guys, back with another post on South Asian genetics, this time focusing on Punjabis (Pakistani and Indian). Feel free to comment or leave questions!

Posting map here, with a link below to full post with discussion and sources.

Below is the link for the full post where I go into detail about the data and observations.

Original content by me. I wrote an accompanying post that touches on certain features and trends seen in the map, check it out!

Syeds don't descend from the Prophet, but they do carry significant Middle-Eastern or Turkic ancestry from the Islamic era. The most recent paper found that the ancient Iranian admixture into the Indus Valley occurred much earlier than previously thought. These Iranians weren't Neolithic...

According to research published just a couple months ago, Iranian Hunter Gatherers may have entered the Indus Valley as early as 12,000 BC. Aryans did not arrive until around 2000 BC. Prior to the arrival of the Aryans, the people of the Indus Valley were a mix of two primary ancestries; the...

I'm half Arain, half Muhajir. Genetically Arains cluster most closely to Punjabi Khatris from India, at least based on the samples I have. They show fairly low European admixture, meaning less mixing with the ancient Aryan migrants. They have the highest Caucasus signal among South-Asians...

Its an area I've very interested in, I try not to get dragged into the drama that can accompany it. History is actually more important for me, but those posts take longer to write. I do have some historical map presentations I'm working on that I'd like to post soon.

Details are in the link, I used modified Harappa GedMatch data.

Hi everyone, new member here from America, but family roots in Pakistan. Interested in South Asian genetics and history. Below is a link to a simplified genetic map of Pakistan I recently made. Feel free to ask questions and discuss here...

1.) Interests in South Asian history, genetics, culture. 2.) Found this forum by searching online for popular sites Pakistanis frequent. 3.) This specific forum interests me due to its high and active Pakistani user base, which I've been looking for as most online spaces for South Asian...