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How did you get from Burma to Pakistan ? - seems to me Burmese officials took a big chance of annoying India by repatriating all of you back to Pakistan......or did the US have anything to do with?? I just cannot imagine the courage it would have taken by Burma to not hand all of you to...

I thought that I would ask because the photo featured prominently on the magazine article is the same exact one that you use for your ID on this forum.....he must mean a lot for you to his photo:cheers:

MuradK Sahib you forgot to reply to this question: Let me ask you: who has your squadron's gun camera films? I assume all of you had them with you when you left for Burma - the Indians have released the Boyra shootdown film - I do not understand the PAF's reluctance to release your or West...

I would recommend that you remove your date of birth from public viewing - there are a lot ID thefts in the United States - this may not affect you - but all the same I think that your DOB should be private

One more question: Who is AVM Salimuddin?? June 2009 article from Aeroplane magazine Great article. http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/545/747/5197/3/22/0/pakistan%20air%20force%20salimuddin http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/545/747/5197/3/23/0/...

Murad Sahib: Please tell me what you think about this story told by a East Pakistan Works Department engineer (I do not recall where, but for some reason it is in my memory). Soon after the IAF disabled the Dacca runway on whatever date in December, the Base did NOT have resources to...

I am very emotional right now, so please forgive me for what I am about write. Murad Khan Sahib - all the respect to you in the world.:pakistan: WE are the taxi drivers, not you. I disagree with your reluctance to decipher the kills out of Dacca (the whole Schames vs Shams thing - and...

I am sorry I do not understand: is it available or is it in the process of being published? Secondly, you did not reply to the question of your base of operations being Dacca in 1971....:cheers:

India concedes six here: News Article in Depth This is just this website's artwork representation of the action on that day from IAF perspective - this NOT a real newspaper and seven here: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/East_Pakistan_Air_Operations,_1971 very detailed...

...I obviously missed something: is this part of a book that is being written or already written? Would appreciate the details. Where are these photos available? I presume, Mr. Murad you were based in Dacca in 1971 as part of the 14 Sqn. and took part in the air action? Forgive my...

Would appreciate the contact, sir. :cheers:

Okay - thank you. I did it check it on Wikipedia and thanks for the reference.

Okay...how is it connected to this thread - I miss the similarity....

...no need to react this way, everybody. I am sure that there are things that bother each of that I will find acceptable and vice versa, as in this case. So, no worries! Mr. MuradK: what is this Second Rourke's Drift?:yahoo: I disagree - what Hali thinks IS pertinent......and needs to...

Look at posts # 143 and 145 in this thread and you will get the jist of it.....

I am not sure what elaboration you wish.... I think that one pilot has a certain number of kills and whatever record there is seems to be giving them to someone else.....even Mr. MuradK in his first posting on this issue (Schames vs Shams), in this thread (check it out) described Shamsulhaq as...

Firstly, thank you for your response. Secondly, what WILL give me an ulcer is the inability to record history ACCURATELY, specially in cases like this when everyone who was involved is alive and well (Two pilots, two wingmen, a squadron full of cheering mates). History, and specially my...

Thank you!:cheers: Obviously these websites including Hali are all wrong - they all give the credit to Flt. Lt. Schames (this Shams was a F/O at the time of the action). With all four (Schames, Shams, wingmen Shamshad and Gul), and other 14 Sqd. pilots Dilawar Hussain, Afzaal alive...

:cheers: you got me..... Any idea how to get a hold of Group Captain S M Hali?? Thanks.

Really? Murad Sahib: you say that Shams ul haq was your student and he would pretend to be someone else and not contact you directly???? Why would he do that --- you have his phone number, Call him in Oklahoma right now and ask him why he would do this and insult his Ustaad I do not...