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Point taken. However, in the overall scheme of things the commander still deserves credit, albeit much less than his colleagues, because he was 'there' in the most trying of circumstance: a determined, overwhelmingly sized enemy, supported by a local populace in open rebellion.

My dear Chindit: I do not know what your motivations are, but here I am paying homage to a group of pilots who served their country, however, you have turned my homage into a "but, you see, the squadron commander did bad things!!!". You have made your point, using of course, a PAF pilot...

:confused:Chindit, my friend, I still DO NOT understand why you need to know this? It took me months of digging around to come up with this list...if you can share the reason for this interest and it is plausible, I would be happy to dig around for you....after all that is why we are here on...

A) I am not sure why it is important if they flew combat out of WP after leaving EP Dec 6. Nonetheless, without any corroborating information let us speculate shall we?: - they left on Dec. 6 and arrived in Burma; - speculatively speaking, they could have arrived in WP as early as...

I still find it an amazing coincidence that there were THREE active fighter pilots named Shams (or a slight variation thereof) in the same squadron at the same time. Two of them were more or less completely the same name and pronounced the same way Schames-ul-haq and Shams-ul-haq (nicknamed...

Air Cdre. Inam ul Haq - Resides in Rawalpindi; retd as Air Mshl Wng. Cmdr. Afzal Choudhury - Resides in Lahore Wng Cmdr. S M Ahmad - Shaheed S/ L Javed Afzaal - Resides in Lahore; flew with PIA for some years F/L Saeed Afzal - Shaheed F/O...

Scroll to page 10 in the following link and read an interesting article on the induction of the Sabre into the PAF, including a photograph of Flying Officer Jamal Ahmad Khan, who is also the author of the article as Air Marshal Jamal Ahmad Khan - WHAT A JOURNEY TO EXCELLENCE!:cheers...

My dear Haanzo: you can make your points without using derogatory, sarcastic terms: goes to your credibility, don't you think?? Dreamer lists things that the ill-informed host makes, in a non-offensive way and your retort is to call him dumb and use sarcasm. Really? This is debate??

Try this: - killing the F-22 was an ECONOMIC decision: - this unfortunate Maddow is your typical agenda driven talk-show person and like most (as shown even here ) is clueless about what she is speaking about; - The US treasury is deep in debt: the F-22 was not the only program cancelled...

....moreover, I can introduce to some people here in the US, born and bred, and the English they speak will make you cringe. So do NOT believe that we in the US have any special mastery of the English language, believe you me!:pakistan:

Arrey yaar, I understood what you meant - I just wanted to make sure that humarey aur bhai bhi should be on the same page. How about my Urdu???:cheers:

I suppose you meant "sad" instead of "sorry" - he had lead a full life and now is with God. The personal information I have is about his family (who they are, where they are, etc) - nothing that will help you. Whenever I get a chance I will see if the PAF will release the mission...

No. Captain Sahib was a family friend.

I do not understand: it has been weeks since Jabar 1 or anyone else has updated us. Anyone know the status of Muradk???? Any hospital contact number? Please PM me and I will call and find out what is happening.

Capt. Lodhie (from his PIA days) was a " PAF original": flew F86s - one of the ferry pilots, flew B57s - commanded 8 Squadron twice ('62, '64 - I believe) Please refer to "The Story of PAF: a saga of courage and honour) for exact details. He flew some B57 bombing missions in '65, returning...

Notice the photo I use as my avatar? This is the famous Sabre formation. Mr. Lodhi was one of the pilots in the formation. I believe someone listed the names of the participants and in fact YOU may have asked who was AMK Lodhi. MuradK replied that it was Arshad Mohammad Kamran Lodhi...

Not at all. I would have been an utter disgrace!!!!:cheers::sniper:

I am sorry to hear that: welcome to the uncertain nature of things in Pakistan!!! AliFarooq, may I suggest that, while good for a laugh, a stereotype is just that: a stereotype. Funny, nonetheless, but still a stereotype. You end up judging an individual by the actions of a few (now...

I wish we could send him well wishes at he hospital. Anyone know where he is??:cheers:

ALHAMDULILLAHI RABBUL AALAMEIN. Wonderful sign of progress. Pretty soon he will be back and killing us all for being the idiots we are!!! INSHALLAH, SUBHANULLAH, ALHUMDULILLAH