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Hey Agno, I don't post for a couple of months come back and I find they've promoted you to a forum administrator! Congratulations bud.

Yes observe the marking on the nose of the helo,

That Sabra upgrade is one mean MBT! I've read in some places Israeli tankers consider it on par or superior to the Merkava 4.

Gentlemen, ENOUGH OF THIS MADNESS STOP DISCUSSING HALAL MRE THIS THREAD IS ABOUT HELICOPTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pakistan Defence is or rather was a serious defence forum. Start posting relevant material or go post these lunatic theories somewhere else amongst fellow idiots.

I posted this a while back in Fatman17s AFM thread. In that particular issue it said a number of CH47 Chinook "C" models were being kept in storage from the Italian Army with the intent to transfer them to Pakistan given that the Italians had purchased newer CH47F aircraft.

Outstanding effort Bezerk. Its really good to see a group of people taking positive action as opposed to sitting back and saying "I'm not doing anything thats the governments job". If only the government of Pakistan showed such an effort the country would be a success beyond measure...

Source: Pakistan News Service - PakTribune PakTribune. Musharraf in his countries hour of need was a man of action not attending the court of foreign leaders launching his childrens political careers. *I originally posted this in another thread but it seems just as relevant here

Source: Pakistan News Service - PakTribune PakTribune. Musharraf in his countries hour of need was a man of action not attending the court of foreign leaders launching his childrens political careers.

Does anyone recall that during the 2005 Earthquake President Musharraf postponed a planned trip to the US and scaled back a large F16 order to help his country? I think not.

A man is standing by his convictions. Can't fault him for that really. It doesn't matter where he said it that is of no relevance whatsoever the words would still have been the same in London. Be grateful that a politician is straight talking- you know where you stand with him.

Its no insult to say something the way it is. I could write and explain my above point but Niaz above has got it absolutely spot on.

Life in the UK is very different from Pakistan by that I mean the environment people grow up in. Alcohol is not frowned upon, promiscuous sexual relations almost a norm and people openly admit to being atheist with almost a sense of pride. The older generation of Pakistani immigrants were...

Junes AFM is a good one it has an interview with ACM Suleman and some excellent pictures of PAF including the first ever air to air photo of JF17!

You are going to love next months AFM it has an interview with ACM Suleman, great pictures of PAF on ranges and air to air refueling! Plus it states JF17 will be making its International debut at the Farnborough air show. PAF will be sending 2 JF17 and one C130 support aircraft.

Any particular reason as why so many wheeled APCs are being produced by Turkey?

Hitler was not a good commander, granted he was a good soldier as he was decorated for his bravery during the first world war. He was a bitter disenchanted being with severe prejudices and the world is a better place without him. Having visited the holocaust exhibition in the imperial war...

Thats about 35 plants roughly quite a tall order and very expensive.

Italy and Brazil have operated the AMX aircraft as a ground attack aircraft and for close support missions. Given the insurgency operations Pakistan is conducting it would be ]useful to have a K8 in a role like the AMX to have alongside Cobra helicopters providing support to the army on the...

Pakistan needs a genuine grass roots party not solely intereseted in self preservation of their beliefs or class status but to serve the people. At present the only politcal parties intereseted in this approach are the likes of JI who appear to want to take Pakistan backwards not forwards...

At present there isn't a military version. The purpose of ths thread is to consider this as a starting point for as a potential military helicopter given that it is designed for heavy lift.