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Better read facts? Sir who are you to tell me to read anything? I know that in their power, Taliban killed over 250,000 people as if they were commodity, cattle. No remorse, murders in plain day light. You need to get a good dose of reality to go along with all those "facts". If this specific...

According to which source though? It is simply hard to believe China will go from 3rd to 4th generation (or 4th to 5th NATO) in such a short time span with the explicit inability to fully develop an engine suitable for J-11 or J-10 in terms of production. This has directly hindered our JF-17...

Growler sahb..panicking :P I saw pancake and immediately got hungry. :lol:

They also wanted to implement a certain twisted version of orthodox law in half of Pakistan which called for the destruction of girl's schools and beheadings of poor police and army servicemen. They fought a bitter civil war for their power in Afghanistan and used human shields worse than Hamas...

While I doubt Pakistan can put up an aircraft to directly threaten a 5th gen anytime soon, I think the PAK-FA will be susceptible to serious, well placed, long range S2A SAM (and more awareness platforms on the ground and in the air to survey for incoming threats).

Acid attacks at the hands of authorities is not reason to go to war against someone? Fire Fighter...there is a reason you fight fire and not fiery people.

Not only the Taliban but their original backers, trainers, facilitators and cheerleaders. Names will not be mentioned, but I think it is clear to many circles within Pakistani community of the Pakistani and Saudi channels responsible for this. We must be against this ideology and people who...

Would you be okay with this though if it brought the nation closer to superior technology, especially in the defense sector? If Zardari's greed rests in the threshold of a few million...I am sure AF is willing to pay the price...in fact I may be too if it puts up a credible conventional...

Hey man come on, I wasn't comparing JF-17 to MiG 21 and F6 I was basically saying PAF is replacing junk with more junk. As of right now JF-17 is outdated even before it's initial induction we are going for outsourced upgrades as even the most dubious of supposed air professionals here contend...

Definitely worth upgrading this bird even if it means buying a French package. Otherwise to me Thunder fits a role only slightly above trainer, mostly in league with the South Korean T-50 on many levels. Force multiplier is a loose term applied to JF-17's role. I for one was happy Pakistan was...

A mix of stereotypes and emotional sensationalism based upon racism and blatant hate. To be honest it reminds me of a Kramer type of joke, treating an episode in recent history which is to scar the world for centuries to come is not going to be an easy pill to swallow by this crowd. Most of us...

And judging by the reaction on the forum world I don't know why India is celebrating an uphill battle in Russia that isn't over. The way this was leaked to the public makes it seem the Russians are desperate to convey to the rest of the world that they have this tech on par with the U.S. Of...

When fully matured I'm sure no one will be laughing. But for now, we can laugh a little. That engine area needs more work than my first car did to qualify as 5th generation. Anyone check out that tiny nosecone? Does that house a MiG 21 radar by any chance? Absolutely in shambles when compared to...

The entire game will change once the US and her friends leave the region. I encourage those here to keep that in mind. I also want you to keep in mind that having just stated this, the US will never leave Afghanistan completely.

I would advise Iran as a "Muslim brother" that she should follow up her barks with some bite. This is the same Iran that sends Hezbollah to make the lives of Palestinians even more difficult, the one that started a border war between Lebanon and Israel, the same Iran that sent extremist shiite...

Even though I am inclined to think Dassault Rafale is out of the tender because of the soured M2K upgrade deal, I don't think the issue is as tied into the competition at this stage, though in the very end it will be a sore thumb that sticks out. France will be overlooked and is being given bad...

Mirage 2K is India's ace-in-the-pocket nuclear delivery and premier deep strike platform. Now that it can not be upgraded to keep itself ahead of JF-17 and Block 52, the news of any more French interest in the IAF will quickly dissolve as undoubtedly there are many turbans being scratched in the...

"Pre" September 11 versus "Post" September 11...TruthSeeker I hear that argument all the time and it doesn't make any sense. The first time the Twin Towers were bombed there were no draconian steps taken to prevent future attacks. Then almost a decade later it happened again. The different is...

I am also assuming FC-20 upgrades like IRST and other capabilities will be seen on a JF-17 future block upgrade along with airframe enhancements, radar and suites upgrade.Supposedly that is going to take place halfway through production probably 5-8 years after induction of first squadron.

Sources are not official PLAAF or PAF but certain information presented has been leaked from PLAAF. Take them at face value or don't.