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Maybe the only good thing about the recent deterioration of US-Pak relations is that more people are seeing the sad reality of our armed forces. The flaws are obvious, we have developed a light weight fighter with unproven technology to go up against Russian aerodynamic performance coupled with...

Im hoping these are the much talked about block 2 aircraft. If not, then the there will be a major cost of upgrading 100 odd aircraft to block 2 standard in the future...nnnot the most efficient system of spending funds. Better to take time now and produce an aircraft that is highly capable.

If anything in the order of these codes supposedly existed, it makes little difference in the wider scenario. Against the IAF we are completely unprepared. I would love to act as if our Rose Mirages and mighty F-7s will dominate the skies, but the reality is, we have so few f-16s to begin with...

We should work towards an efficient setup where we have one, maybe two kinds of fighters, with a lot of uniformity and commonality...we simply cannot afford such a complicated setup with little funding. What was the point in procuring these f-16s when it is clear our most pressing matter is on...

Couldn't have put it better myself. A direction the PAF seems to avoid is one of quality over quantity. We do have far less fighters than India, but even this doctrine is from a time that Pakistan wasn't completely economically retarded. At this point, is it not logical to rethink our strategy...

This is almost like a comedy movie... We have known since the 80s that the US was not reliable, they didn't deliver many of the f-16s we ordered, nor did they provide the spares for the ones we already had...so after a decade of wasting money on f-7s, the Americans once again needed are help...

American equipment would never be used against its main ally. The very reason the Americans support these dictatorships loyal to them is so that Isreal can have a safer existence. The Isreali air force truly is a force so it is doubtful any nation in that region would succeed against them...

Storm Force...I will pay you to stop posting the same point over and over and over again in every thread. What did you accomplish with that post, putting up pictures of the fighters everyone knows are in IAF service. Whom ever doubts the capabilities of the IAF is dreaming, but that doesn't mean...

There is no way to accurately compare military units, especially over a long period of history. The most famous units, and the ones considered the greatest are usually the ones that have seen the most action in wars...it is wrong then to penalize elite units that don't occupy regions of the...

We could beef up our defences all we like, but the unfortunate reality is, we will never do anything to oppose the Americans. Partly due to our leadership being utterly directionless and partly due to the overwhelming superiority of the Americans, if we knocked one of their fighters out of the...

The Pakistani top brass has failed on all levels, be it militarily or politically. I have always questioned the unreasonably high percentage of the Pakistani budget that is earmarked for the military, the least our armed forces can do is to repay the financial burden placed on the nation by...

According to f-16.net, the first customers of the f-16 were the Europeans: Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. As far as largest customer go, I think that title belongs to the Isrealis.

That is an interesting point MastanKhan, the French do seem to greatly overprice their products and struggle with the sales pitch. On the other hand, you are greatly underestimating the f-16. The Rafale may be better than the f-16, assuming we are talking about the versions proposed to India...

What has happened to this thread? Will the Indian members be happy if we concede that nothing has changed over the last 10 years? The Pakistani members are actin as if we are about to establish all out dominance over the IAF. These things are cyclical, as air forces acquire new equipment, it...

No one is giving a loan to a country so completely directionless that even a complete novice can figure that any money given to Pakistan would never be returned. The government needs to drastically cut spending, and not only from infrastructure related things that are nessecary for long term...

Asian Union I feel like you are giving too much credit to the Pakistani indigenous capability, our home made fighter success is largely a result of Chinese growth in aeronautics, they provided the avionics, designed the plane and our jf-17s carry Chinese armaments. Pakistans role is ever...

There is a reason Pakistan hasnt given India MFN status. Indian companies, producing on far larger economies of scale and with lower costs in the form electricity and Im assuming gas have very little to fear from smaller Pakistani firms that struggle to even keep their plants running due to...

Pakistanis are quick to claim their pilots are great because it has been claimed so by the many people who have had the opportunity to fly against them. Much like India, the PAF takes part in numerous exercises as well and we have performed admirably. One must also not overlook history, the PAF...

TVC= Thrust vectoring control, referring to engines that allow for increased maneuverability HOBS= High off bore sight, capability in new generation missiles to lock on to targets without having to turn the plane and face a target head on. AOA= angle of attack

Is the superior mki subsonic maneuverability due to the forward canards and tvc? Could they not be added to the j-11b?